Ah hah - your humor fu is much stronger than mine. Long day...

Konsaki sighs while holding his head, "I'm going to write up an IC post later today in response to BH's, but I need a nap. The 'fun' I had last night comes with it's own drawbacks... damn double edged swords..."

Ok Dire, Jdragon, Pragma do you guys want anything from Johnson or are we good to go ?

Pragma does (magical materials/spells?), I believe, DR might (surgery?). In any case, as long as Cerberus is done with Johnson, you can probably feel free to post ahead. The things they might be asking for/about probably won't interrupt anything you're doing.

Okay - you guys are obviously free to continue to RP in the room as much as you like.

Once Johnson does leave, I will be able to do some things that BH and I are working on, and it shouldn't hold other people back since he'll be separated, so if he gets a bit ahead or behind the team timeline it should be okay.

Once he's gone, again, RP at will, but in the interest of moving things forward, the events I am aware of are
first - Fort wards for four hours. By the time he is done, everyone but Angel is declared as crashing for at least 24 hours.

That means that once the RP chatting is stopped and some ICs that Fort puts up the ward, Konsaki should be free to do the stuff he's been planning.

After that, as far as the "room group" is concerned, people should be able to cash in on any heal rolls they've already made or make any they have coming to them, and then we should be able to think about wrapping up the 36 hours and making sure everyone is ready to move forward.

Congrats on making the 'Dragon' rank, Adamu.
Post whore... XD

I think Rocky should be good for now.

JD

Ok everyone said post away so i did. I think we divied up the team loot but I just want to double check...



Ok here are my medicine and healing rolls. I spent 1 hour for the stun damage, and 24 for the physical. I had 1P and 5S before the rolls...

Hmmmm I failed to heal my stun damage in one go so is that ok to spend another hour resting?? I would just change my IC post so that Cerberus wakes up at 6 AM instead of 5. See what happens when you roll after!! hehehe.

Medicine= Logic 4+medicine 2 + medkit 6 - 2 indoors? = 10 dice
3, 6, 3, 4, 5, 3, 4, 4, 6, 4, 1, 2 = 3 hits

Stun Healing= 11 Dice + medicine hits 3 = 14 dice
3, 2, 5, 5, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 6, 1, 2 = 3 hits
5S -> 2S

Stun Healing= 11 Dice
3, 6, 3, 5, 4, 6, 6, 1, 3, 6, 3 = 5 hits
2S -> 0S

Physical Healing = 12 dice
2, 3, 5, 4, 6, 6, 3, 3, 3, 1, 5, 4 = 4 hits
1P -> 0P.

@Everyone Johnson left, Angel left. Who needs a van??? Does Fortunato have a vehichle?? If I cant get my bike back I might want it lol. Have to strip that wussy norm interior out and make it Rocky and Cerb friendly.

Anyone wants dibs on the assault rifle?? Cerberus has firearms 3 so he isnt that skilled at using it.

@Adamu I've posted, I've updated my wiki with the things I have baught. I've asked questions where necessary. I will be lurking until things start happening again!!

As Abbandon has put into his IC post, Caittie is gone from the room at around 0700ish. Inside everyone's commlink is a message letting everyone in the room know she is headed out. There are also instructions on how to contact her, via a matrix dropbox.

I'll probably post an IC myself in around 14-15 hours.

@Abbandon

Great post. Looks like you are covered for the 36 hours. No problem with jiggering the sleep hours so you get rid of that stun.

One thing I would ask you to do is insert whatever actual info Angel sent you - otherwise it disappears into the black hole of PMs without adding to our narrative.

Also, could you remind me where the Predator with the EX comes from...I know the one you've been carrying around that you took from Rosso has APDS, and if I recall correctly you've been keeping careful track of those precious rounds. But the Predator IV with EX slips my mind.
Not doubting your memory, doubting my own.

Looks like you've already marked off two frag grenades from the list. Sounds vaguely correct - actually, without going back I can't recall if you tossed one or two. If you feel like it you can go back and confirm, otherwise marking off the two is a safe bet.

@Everyone - I would indeed like to know if anyone takes any of those weapons...anything not claimed I will assume goes to Cerberus.

At this point, the only person who should be waiting on anything specific from me is BlackHat, and I will try not to let him wait too long.

Forgot to go into detail about it in the IC post, but Adam will be dressed-down, as instructed - which is easy for him, since he only owns two suits, and most of his clothes are nice, but college-worthy.

As for coming armed, he'll bring one of his Sliverguns, loaded into its hidden-arm slide, but is otherwise travelling lightly.

Konsaki said she was waiting on the results of her searches from you, so I havent actually been given any info yet. Actually I should probably have included that little bit about the icon and clicking on it to download files and then it disappearing. My bad.

I grabbed a gun off the guy me and Kyle rushed who had capped the security guy at the clinic, Rosso, and I think Buernhouse. I will go back and check its fuzzy.

And I tossed 2 frag grenades. I had updated the info on my own wiki but forgot to on the team loot screen.

Oh I also wanted to ask if that Dirty Dicky's was from another game I have seen on here? Cant remember that game's name but the team, the last time i saw them, were all out to sea on a boat.

First off, I'm male, Abbandon.
Second, I've had the info for a couple of days now. I've just been holding onto it until time in game moved forward. I'll send it out in a bit.

Caittie takes the tazer when she leaves in the morning, and I'll IC that.

From what I can tell,
10k in digital cred from Sugar Lips
2200 split of cash loot on top of that?

Timeline,
We arrive at truck stop at Wednesday Midnight, spend all day Thursday, then looking at splitting Friday Mroning, so the 36 hours would lead us to friday morning?

Haha sorry about that Konsaki I know you are male but i mixed you up with your character.

@Adamu, After a lot of wasted time I have found the answer sort of....

I got one gun off the Indian Elf(the apds i guess), and another one off the guy the indian Elf shot.

You said Birnhauser had the predator 4 w/ ex ammo

Russo had the stun gun.

That was around page 28-29 OOC if you have it set up to view 50 threads at a time.

The gun that came off the indian elf's victom I left at the clinic, I offered Rocky one(dont remember if it was apds or ex), I took the other and the stun gun.

Edit. I knew I had gotten horrably sick last year but I didnt know exactly when. It was in January!! I love the internet hehehe. Seems like alot longer than a year ago.

Not quite, Caittie leaves the hotel room on Thursday morning.

Here is a snippit from the edited IC post to include the info Angel passes along in case you dont want to try and find it:

My IC is up and I think I covered the bases. If I missed something, let me know.

Had half of hte conversation written before I decided that he might not even want to talk about it here, or that his reaction might be different than the one I had invisioned for him. I'll try to keep things going two-ways while still moving them along nicely.

As far as first-impressions go, I'm not sure if its appropriate or not, but here is an Etiquette roll to fit is as best as he can, and not come off as a cop, or a chumpy kid, or worse:

Oh I wanted to ask if Angel leaving would affect our ability to use @team ?? When would our little team network break apart??

Depends on the rating of people's commlinks, I think.

Your commlink can maintain connections to, what, twice its system worth of devices So, besides all your periphreals (cyberware, contacts, VR gloves, etc), that puts a limit on the number of teammates you can be in constant connection with.

However, with only one channel available, you could either send individual messages to everyone on some list (which would take a lot longer) or route your request to someone else's good commlink which could then send to everyone on the network - which is probably how peopel with Metalinks would do something like this, and probably why the team network would pop when the "server" wanders out of range.

Chances are, between the four of you left in the room, someone has a commlink that is running a rating 3 OS, which is really all it would take to set up a new network that could let the lower-end commlinks participate, with two connections left open for that user's devices.

The only real drawback to doing things that way instead of having a whole team of high rating commlinks who can all send messages to everyone on the team is that if a hacker took control of the server commlink, he has control of all the messages going to anyone. Doing things point-to-point would be safer, but would require people to upgrade.

It might not be a bad idea, at somepoint for us to, as a team, take inventory of what we have (commlink-wise, but also cyber-wise, weapon-wise, etc) and identify areas we need to reinforce/upgrade.

For example, glancing at your character sheet. With your rating 1 System, I believe that means you can only maintain two active connections.(COuld be wrong on that rule though, someone feel free to correct me)

One of them should probably be some sort of combined input/output device (trodes) and the other could be any one thing you want to connect to (nearby matrix node, whoever's commlink you're calling, higher-rating teammate's commlink, etc).

If you needed to, say, connect to your cyberware to run diagnostics, or wanted to connect to your gloves to manipulate some object physically in AR, you would have to disconenct from the team's network (although, I think it is assumed that you are always conencted to the Matrix - but to do anything through it, like send a message to a friend, you first have to open a connection to the recipient, which would require you disconnecting your gloves).

That's what you get for trying to use an MP3 player as a PDA.

Sledge is running Response 4, and the Love Machine is Response 5, so for the secure network there shouldn't be a problem. Just slows things down and shouldn't have any impact out of combat time.

Sledge typically has her Agent handle the channel switching if it's needed, which it shouldn't be much.

For non secure network traffic, any nodes in range will do, and non secure is fine as long as you can run decrypt programs.

(Except that encryption in the Shadowrun universe is a joke.)

Ok, IC up, think that covers Rocky.

I need to add him sending a message to Johnson about a new SIN and liscenese will get that edited in as soon as I can.

Per my rolls ealier and IC now I belive Rocky should be fully healed.

Here are my rolls for Thursday & Friday for the pills.
Thursday 8/21 - Body (8) - Addiction (4) = 4 dice
2, 4, 5, 2= 1 hit (day 2 in a row)

Friday 8/22 - Body (8) - Addiction (4) = 4 dice
5, 6, 5, 3 = 3 hits (day 3 in a row)

JD

Good to know since I'm speaking ot the guy right now. Hopefully I can hook you up. Please include some OOC details about what you're looking for - because I have no idea how to say "Rating 2 Fake SIN" in character. The differences between the qualities of a fake SIN seem like they'd be hard to catagorize. "He wants to spend about X" is probably the best I can think of.

My old commlink has better stats. I have two now hehe.

As far as fake SIN's descriptions for cerberus....

The R1 should be able to get an apartment and shop online. The R2 should make cerberus sound like somebody that is allowed to have cyber and firearms and stuff. Dont care about names or occupation really but the occupation should be something a troll would be hired for.

Are liscenses bought for individual pieces of equipment (cyber-pistol, wired-reflexes, hot-sim capable sim-module, this particular pistol, etc) or for categories of items (cyberware, firearms, etc)?

I don't own any guns in real life, but I think you have to get a seperate liscense for each gun you want to buy, and that it is tied to the gun's registration (you know, in case that gun ever murders someone, and they want to know who's supposed to be keeping track of it). But, like, for driving, I just need a generic driving liscense, and I am liscensed to drive any car. Likewise, a medical liscense might let me legally possess a whole slew of controlled substances that I don't have to get liscensed for, individually.

For SR4 purposes, any gear that has a "R" on availability should be considered as possibly needing a license. "F" can be licensed too, but is likely to be the kind of gear that really isn't allowed to the public under any circumstances.

Well I know when I was making my character Adamu gave me/ok'ed general purpose Licenses like "guns" and "ammo" but that may have been just to get the ball rolling.

Hmmmmm. Pg 323.
Each type of item or activity requires a seperate license

I guess it depends on how you interpret "type".

A pistol is a type of gun/A predator is a type of pistol
Bullets are a type of ammo/ APDS is a type of bullet
Bodyware is a type of cyber/ Wired Reflexes are a type of bodyware

I think you should just have to buy a Single Fake license that contains a document for everything immaginable. Or it would be something that you customize. For example.

Cerberus goes to Nym and asks for pistols, longarms, heavy weapons, grenades, apds, gel, regular, bodyware, headware, driving, whatever else he needs and Nym calls him back in a couple of days and has a single Fake License document that includes everything he told nim to.

OOC-wise Cerberus just baught an R3 Fake License package from Nym for 300$.

Check p. 303 Legality. Here's an example.

"For example, you are allowed
to purchase and own a gun when you have
a fi rearms license for it. To
carry a gun with you, you
may need a more specifi c
concealed carry permit."

and

"A forbidden item may
never be legally purchased or
owned, let alone transported
or used, by a private person.
Don’t get caught."

and the sentence prior to the one already cited on p 323

": For those who don’t want to go through
the standard legal channels, a fake license can be obtained
for all kinds of restricted items (see Legality, p. 303) or activities
(hunting, concealed carry, spellcasting, etc.)—as appropriate
to the jurisdiction—can be obtained through the
black market."

I tend to think there's isn't a single blanket license, but one per item, though I think a handgun permit would tend to be for that class of weapon.

But, it's up to Adamu.

I agree there is not a single purpose fake license. But I think there should be.

I dont know I just dont like or understand all the SIN and license stuff. If a shadowrunner ever gets caught doing something they are screwed, it wont matter if they have fake licenses in fact it will probably add more charges onto them.

When would we get caught with a gun or ammo or cyber while not commiting a crime?

I guess I will just have to go over my guy pretty thoroughly and find all the things I need licenses for.

This makes me think we should all have a better and more meaningful cover story for our fake SIN's and a good lawyer on retainer instead of just being Bob Michaels plumber extraordinaire with 50 different firearm licenses, grenades, and concealed weapons permits lol.

Hmmm this is making me think I have things backwards. The perfect set up for character's SINs are:

Your Highest rating SIN = your safe non runner SIN. You also buy all the Licenses and attach it to this SIN. This allows you to run around town carrying your gear and looking like your average citizen.

Then you have a R1 SIN or better if you can afford it as your disposable. This is the one you use while running. You have a drivers permit for it and thats about it. Once the run is over you chuck it. You do not load it up with all those licenses because if you get caught your screwed anyways. You just need it to get to the target location, do the job, and get out.

I was going to use my R1 for my safety net and my best stuff for my running but thats stupid. Every run im going to be throwing away my best SIN and all those stupid licenses over and over again.

Blackhat I think you better be real general in terms of what you ask Nym for lol. Like just the fact you need some sins, some licenses, and how much your willing to spend.

This is the stuff it looks like I need licenses for... correct me if im wrong. I gotta put all this crap on my wiki some place

See now look, if a cop pulled cerberus over or whatever wouldnt all the weapons and weapons related licenses put up a red flag with the cops just because. So shouldnt I just take some normal crap like driving pistols, and concealed weapons. That just looks like your average security conscious citizen.



I've got to hear from Adamu about all this before I commit to which ones I want and what ratings/how much money to authorize Smith to blow.

Its not so much how much I'm willing to spend as how much you are willing to spend. Your original R2 and R1 SINs plus R1 versions of those 9 licenses would run about 3,900 I think, at book-price.

Smith might be able to get you a little discount, but I wouldn't count on it. I would plan on spending around 4K of your 5K on building two new lives for yourself.

JDragon

Thanks for being faithful with your addiction tests.

You are jonesing but still feeling sort of okay - the stiffness is a great touch.

If things go like last time, you'll start really hurting on day 5...

Okay - the trick with RPGs is that you want to stick as close to RAW as possible, so the players have a working idea what they can get away with, but you've got to always remind everyone that common sense trumps all - that's why you are playing SR4 (human gamemaster) instead of Final Fantasy (computer gamemaster).

When adjudicating situations I always try to give the players the benefit of the doubt if they are relying on RAW, and when I make big deviations from RAW, I let them know beforehand if it is going to hurt them. But you have to know that all actions have consequences, and when the RAW is used in ways that fly too much in the face of reality (unfortunately, that must necessarily be MY perception of reality), then logic and common sense have to take over.

First, some rulings on the IDs and licenses:

Yeah, if you want to be fully covered, you may need a lot of licenses. They are a relatively cost-efficient way for society to prevent any thug on the street from wreaking mayhem on the streets to the degree that it will cause excessive interference with productivity. And they help the GM keep a rein on injudicious use of firepower.

So as a general rule, every Restricted item/ware needs a license. Spellcasting needs a license too, and magical capability is legally required to be noted and registered on any SIN.
Note that when I say "needs" I mean, according to game world law enforcement, not according to ME. Not my problem.

As Abbandon pointed out, though - even if he licenses everything, if the cops catch him with the IWK and the rifle and all the grenades, etc. they WILL be suspicious and want to know what the hell he's doing, regardless.
Remember that civil rights in the 6th world have taken a big step back from the USA today, even for SINners. And of course an even bigger step back if you enter an extraterritorial jurisdiction.

Also, Abbandon, a word to the wise - check out the rules on fake IDs and licenses - you put your rating in an opposed test against the verification system...those R1 and R2 IDs are good for online shopping or the Stuffer Shack, and actually they are only any good there because no one gives a crap. Any cop stops you and you are dinged, and few reputable establishments will take cred off an ID like that unless they roll really badly.

Figure any decent commercial establishment will be using at least an R3 verifier...at least. Same for any Lone Star cop or drone - and they can verify at a much higher rating if they just patch it through to their HQ.

Does this all seem oppressive? Of course. It is oppressive. That's Shadowrun. Certain characters like Smith that are set up certain ways may have a relatively easier time leading a life as a "citizen", but as a general rule, runners are marginalized from society - otherwise they'd sell their skills legitimately for more than they can make running.

Do you want guarantees that you will never get stopped by the cops? Or that if you do you will be legally airtight? There can be no more guarantees of that than there can be of succeeding on a run or surviving a firefight.

As players, in a game of skill, which SR is, you can study the rules, the fluff material, and yes, consult with the GM (and you know I am always happy to spend time putting us all on the same page "vision of reality"-wise), to determine how best to stack the odds in your favor.

In this arena, carefully choosing when to carry what, what parts of town to go to and when, and what licenses to carry, etc. are outstanding things to do. And in doing so, you will have to balance cost-effectiveness.

Since I can see that it is a bookkeeping pain in the ass, and that it is really expensive, I will make some rules concessions - but remember, nothing is a guarantee. All you can ever do is try to stack the odds in your favor as much as possible, just like any other aspect of the game.

Assume that purchase of a concealed carry permit includes one handgun (one such double-permit per fake SIN).

Assume that any fake SIN automatically includes a drivers license.

Assume any fake SIN can include the mandatory Awakened registration if you want it to. This does not include a spellcasting license.

Anyone that has already bought these things separately can take a free license of same rating as replacement - let me know.

And as a holy grail of licenses, it is theoretically possible to get a "Security license."
This gives you carte blanche for Restricted weapons and cyber up to 2X the license's rating. That's not number of items, which is unlimited. What I meant to say was Restricted items with Availability ratings up to 2X the license rating.
Such a license has an Availability of +4 and a cost multiplier of 3X.
And if you get caught with one, naturally the penalties can be very steep.

Even a security license cannot let you carry Forbidden items. That needs a special permit from a AAA or a national government, usually military. It is theoretically possible for a PC to get one, but the availability and cost are beyond the scope of simple rules calculations.

Other "activity" licenses, like hunting, locksmith, etc may be easier to get and allow a wide range of illegal items. They will be expensive to fake, but not as bad as security licenses. Talk to me if you have a request.

Hope this helps. Yes, it's a huge pain. But it keeps shadowrunners the rare exception in society, instead of this being the freaking City of Greyhawk where every dude on the street is a fifth level paladin.

BlackHat

Edited my last IC post to reflect your strong Etiquette roll.

I will PM you about the conversation with Nym.

Ok here are the details on Rocky's request in game terms, I'll be adding it to the IC shortly.

Looks like I may be late as I didn't have Rocky knowing his ID was burned till Friday morning. Guess thats what happens when you sleep for 24 hours. Hope this doesn't make things to hard.

SIN (include Drivers License/Awakened) R4 = 4000
Conceal Carry / Gun License - Super Warhawk R4 = 400
Ammo Liscense (EX-Explosive) Liscese R4 = 400

Total 4800

Thanks

JD

Ok I want:
-Fake SIN R3 w/ drivers 3k
-Fake Conceal and carry R4 w/ pistol 400
-Fake SIN R1 w/ drivers 1k

Basic tactic will be to try to negotiate for a lower-price, ideally by highlighting the fact that I'm bringing him in a lot of business, and can potentially find more. He's delt with me before, and doesn't have to deal with these untrustworthy third-party clients at all, if he doesn't want to, as well as the usual nuances of convincing a merchant to drop the price.

Secondly, reguardless of his interest in any of the above, I want to make sure I drop the idea (and plant the seed) of bringing one another business. Even if he's not interested, Smith is, and if this guy knows any other Shadowrunners or people in need of Shadowrunners, I'd like to make a good enough first impression that he might consider calling.

Avalanche of dice-rolls:

Oh yeah, for those interested. I did the twenty-questions thing with www.20q.com, and only gave it 19 questions (since Nym lost one) and even then, on question 19 it really did guess 'Kat', which I thought was pretty freaky.

FYI - I just went back and edited in a clarification on the Security License house rule.