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Abbandon
You dont want any of mine, it itches or something.
DireRadiant
Actually, Sledge wants a Cerebral booster, and for some reason, I doubt Cerberus has one.
BlackHat
No, that would be Cerebrus
Abbandon
You already tasered him, do you have to make fun of him also? Jesus christ whats with the hostility towards him/me? What has he done to warrant you making fun of his intelligence??

I've held my tongue and tried to joke around about stuff but im getting sick of it.
Vegas
Abbandon, take a deep breath and repeat that a couple of times.

None of this is personal it's good-natured fun and joking. It's not a stab/attack against you OR your character.

biggrin.gif Seriously hon... no one is sitting back behind their computer going "God that Abbandon guy totally sucks!" or "Jeeze Cerberus is a stupid mo-fo"

Repeat after me.. "This isn't personal, and the guy I'm playing is just a character." biggrin.gif

If the deep breaths and mantras don't work, I'm gonna start shoving a bottle of vodka down your throat wink.gif
DireRadiant
Abbandon, you and Cerberus make this game fantastically fun!

It's the original thinking and individual thoughts and actions of all the other people involved that makes this type of game interesting. Otherwise I'd just go play solitaire or minesweeper or something. Boring!

Anyway, Sledge is just going to try and keep everyone alive, that's her schtik. So don't worry.
DireRadiant
I'm certain at some point we'll be picking on Sledge for being an emotional basket case, Angel for being a teen girlie, Rocky for his fisticuffs solution to everything, and no one will ever make fun of Fortunato, for subtle are the ways of wizards and they are quick to anger.
adamu
QUOTE (BlackHat)


@Adamu: I think if I use first-aid, I have to heal off his stun before physical - and I'll be capped at 6 boxes (the rating of the medkit) so that seems like a waist since he'll probably reast that off in the first hour. So, if my primary concearn is the bullet in his foot, and not so much the tasering... do I have to wait until he wakes up from being tasered, and rests off that, to patch up the physical damage from the bullet (and whatever else he has that hasn't already been medically treated)? If so, at least Cerberus will get a say in who operates on him. biggrin.gif

I'm cool if that's the case, but I'll hold off on the medical treatment since I would have to burn another of my dwindling edge to hope for any interesting results... and wasting edge to heal up stun damage doesn't seem worth it right now.

BlackHat or anyone else doctoring -

the rules only require stun before heal for natural rest. First Aid can be applied to either at the treater's discretion. In other words, once you beat your two hit threshhold, the third and subsequent hits can be applied first to the one new box of physical damage, with anything left over going to stun.

Or start with the stun. Y'all's call.
JDragon
Not sure that it will help but Rocky does have one rank in First Aide and a Logic of 4 so that would be a dice pool of 5 plus what ever the kit adds.

Rocky hasn't ever tried to pull a bullet out of someone but he's willing to help with what he knows.

BTW - Rocky doesn't just hit stuff, hes shot his pistol a couple times. biggrin.gif Can't remember if I actully hit anyone when I tried but I have tried.

JD
DireRadiant
First Aid Teamwork test!
adamu
As noted in my earlier post, you get a straight +1 die mod for each qualified (has at least First Aid 1) person assisting, max 3. All there in the book.

It is fine to compare pools - assume you are all working together to help him (that can really make for a cool IC post), so it is fine for you guys to devise the most advantageous roll.
DireRadiant
Sledge Log 3 + First Aid 1 = 4 Woo Hooo!.... She knows how to peel the sticky stuff off of the band aids!
Abbandon
No more digging through millions of posts for van stats and stuff.

http://hittingbottomdsf.wikispaces.com/Team+Loot
adamu
Nice work Abbandon - one karma to you.
pragma
Stun Recovery roll b/c Fort has crashed: Wil + Bod: # dice: 8 :: 5 3 3 4 2 4 2 5 -- 2 successes
adamu
pragma

Great. That will go into effect at 12:50, provided you keep resting until then.
Abbandon
I think Vegas made the page, i just added those things to it. You can give that Karma to him or give us each one nyahnyah.gif
adamu
Ah well, in that case just keep the point - my mistake. As for Vegas, he has already gotten plenty for now!
Abbandon
lol ok kool.

Hey if cerberus is using skills while he is dreaming can that count as training or justify an increase ? lmao.
adamu
Nice try.

You can increase anything you have been using under stress or that is totally intangible like edge.

Anything else you'll probably need to start setting up some IC justification/foreshadowing, or else just get some training. Or come up with a very convincing pitch in a PM.
adamu
Okay - I am going to sort of go off on you guys here - so no one take it personally, and it certainly is not directed at anyone in particular, in fact - I'd say it applies about equally to all of you but Abbandon right now.

For the last SIX DAYS OF REAL LIFE you guys have had the open road before you and a world of options and in all that time the ONLY thing achieved has been a debate on how best to handle a First Aid roll - and there still has been no roll. Six days in which I have been Johnny-on-the-spot with answers to rules questions and so on.

I know some people are busy with RL and that is totally fine - never been annoyed with anyone over that. But there are five conscious PCs. Even if you were trying not to hog the stage or something, come on. Six days and all I know is that you are sort of maybe headed for a bus stop but we will never get there because you can't get a first aid test decided upon.

Someone please step up.

This is seriously the way games die, and I am an egotistical enough GM to assume you guys don't want that.

Things on this thread have been HOPPING for the past YEAR - but that is because you have been constantly bombarded with external stimuli. I did that on purpose to keep momentum going until the game was well established.
To throw something else at you right now - or any time not called for by the pre-set conditions of the story - would be unfair. And it's not a game-jumpstarting trick I will resort to.

But I have other weapons in my arsenal. For instance, I will be invoking the mythical 12/1 rule at roughly this time tomorrow if by that time a final disposition has not been made regarding the first aid (do it and roll or finalize a decision to wait), a specific destination declared (busstop where), and all actions you want to take before you get to the busstop also declared and acted on as much as you can.

Thus endeth the rant.
I have said it before and will say it again, you guys are an outstanding group of players - creative, friendly and reliable - more than a DS GM could ask for.

But you need to work on overcoming the group-consensus paralysis that totally plagues every game on this board when it is up to the players to be proactive.
Konsaki
Mythical 12/1 rule?
adamu
You don't want me to make it a reality.
adamu
Slight rant correction - FOUR conscious PCs, but one has the option of waking up whenever he wants.
Konsaki
@Adamu
[ Spoiler ]


Heal test = 8 dice
1,5,5,5,4,1,2,3 - 3 hits


I'm going to move the gametime up 1 hour + some to a point where we drop Johnson off. This way they can retro roll for Abbandon's first aid, Fort gets his heal in and whatever else.
Johnson is getting dropped off at a bus stop which gets him back to SU in around 20min of riding, perferably in the same district as SU.

Once you OK this, I'll write up a post.
adamu
Konsaki

Good man. 12/1 rule off the table for now.

Yes, go ahead and IC forward as you stated.

Other players remain free to post the first-aid OOC and IC within the hour you are pushing forward.

I am SUPPOSED to be writing up Gutter locations and NPCs during my time here at the Internet cafe (damned home computer), so I will get to your spoilered stuff later tonight.

You and pragma and Abbandon all can roll for/put into effect one hour healing.
BlackHat
QUOTE (Konsaki)
I'm going to move the gametime up 1 hour + some to a point where we drop Johnson off. This way they can retro roll for Abbandon's first aid, Fort gets his heal in and whatever else.
Johnson is getting dropped off at a bus stop which gets him back to SU in around 20min of riding, perferably in the same district as SU.

Actually, I'm not sure what district it is in, but Johnson has a specific bus-stop in mind that I don't think is that close to campus. (Its actually not near campus or the nudie-bar where his bike is parked, but the bus-line travels to both).
Konsaki
QUOTE (BlackHat)
QUOTE (Konsaki @ May 21 2007, 05:53 AM)
I'm going to move the gametime up 1 hour + some to a point where we drop Johnson off. This way they can retro roll for Abbandon's first aid, Fort gets his heal in and whatever else.
Johnson is getting dropped off at a bus stop which gets him back to SU in around 20min of riding, perferably in the same district as SU.

Actually, I'm not sure what district it is in, but Johnson has a specific bus-stop in mind that I don't think is that close to campus. (Its actually not near campus or the nudie-bar where his bike is parked, but the bus-line travels to both).

I'll just have the van stop at a 'Bus Stop' then. You can figure out exactly where it is when you get out or whatever.
Konsaki
Not the greatest IC I've ever put out, but it will do for getting us to the bus stop.
Most of the crap in there is just fluff to make it more than a 'We drove straight there and then stopped to let the human out' and something mildly interesting to read. Still, when you are in VR for an hour, it feels like 4 (for Caittie) so I guess she might do it just for kicks.
pragma
@adamu:
I'm going to assume I can be semi-lucid during this interaction without jepordizing my first hour of rest. I'd also like to have started on my second and still participate in this conversation, let me know if that won't fly.

Also, per first stun healing roll, I've knocked off two boxes. I'll wait on the second until we're done talking.
adamu
@pragma - that's fine - as long as you don't move or do anything, or even talk MUCH.
Abbandon
What chaos. Konsaki what was that healng test for?? You or Cerberus or some cat you hit at the bus stop??

Cerberus needs you guys to make 2 rolls.
-First aid for his 1 physical box/11 stun + helpers - conditions 2
-Medicine roll (no defaulting) +helpers -conditions 2
*edit nyahnyah.gif*

So far it looked like Adam and Rocky were going to do it.

Then I can make my natural heal rolls. And will be conscience. All that can be done by the time we arrive at the bus station I believe.
adamu
I 100% agree with Abbandon that someone needs to make the first aid test if they are going to make it.

Either Adam or Rocky with one assistant before the van parks, or now that Sledge is with y'all, interrupt her conversational opener for one of the three of you to make the test with two helpers.

Whatever. As I've said, I think it makes for a cool IC post, but all that is REQUIRED IC is a mention that it was done.

But someone please step up and make the roll.

However, as the rules state, first aid can only be applied once per set of wounds, and as I've stated before, a set of wounds is all the wounds you've gotten since the last time you healed or had first aid used on you. So it is one test, and you can split the appicable successes between the one physical box and the multiple stun boxes as you see fit.

Once you do the first aid, Cerb can roll for an hour's rest on his stun.

The medicine roll, applied to help his stun rest, can only be made by Adam or Rocky, since they have to pretty much be with him during the rest period. Successes add dice to his subsequent heal tests for this set of wounds on a one-for-one basis.
DireRadiant
Now we are going to have a long IC conversation while Adamu prepares to have us ambushed at the bus station!

I do hope Cerberus is definitely awake.
adamu
Hey, didn't the wiki used to have links to the 2nd and 3rd wave IC threads? Am I looking in the wrong place?
Abbandon
Are you getting wiki dependant or something ? hehe. I dont think so. it only used to have links to people. Maybe your master ooc post has the links to the different waves.

adamu
Thanks - I know how to still get to those threads, but I was sure they were on the wiki as well. Whatever, I dug it up and got what I needed, sort of.

Konsaki

[ Spoiler ]
JDragon
Ok, here go some healing rolls....

Rocky working on Cerberus with Johnson's Help.

First Aide (1) + Logic (4) + Helper (1) - Conditions (2) - Implants (2) = 2 dice
1, 3 = 0 hits / Critical Glitch

Ok, one thing I did not do above was add the First Aide kit, because I was not sure if I get that.

Also what can I do with Edge to help not kill Cerberus with this roll?

Thanks

JD
BlackHat
You should get the bonus dice from the first aid kit. Thanks for doingthe rolling by the way (though I hope it doesn't stay a glitch). If we have two trained aiders in the group that makes more sense than me burning edge. I can save theedge for somthing we don't have (like a fixer or a face).
DireRadiant
OOC - Shopping lIst

Shopping Montage!

Sledge is going to ask for a shotgun and ammo for herself, better grade commo gear for Fortunato, Cerberus, Sugar Lips and Rocky, and some disguises!

More long term, we need a fence for our loot, a medical resource for our cosmetic reconstructive surgeries. And then we move into the whole Fake SIN business, and permits, and other stuff.

And then after that the list gets much longer and far more detailed...

I was thinking Sledge might ask for a nice commlink for Angel, since she obviously needs one!

I suspect there will be a rash of money making crime once Fishbreath is taken care of.
BlackHat
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
I suspect there will be a rash of money making crime once Fishbreath is taken care of.

I certainly hope so. biggrin.gif This Shadowrunning gig has turned out to take longer, be less glorious, and a lot more expensive than I first imagined.

Hope to IC something this afternoon.
pragma
I had trouble figuring out why Fort needed a better commlink until I remembered to look at it from a wily wizard's point of view; every good mage needs extensive mental training and by 2060 a good comm. rig can run some damn good Tetris.

That said, I'm on the market for binding materials and spell formulae (and a number of personal magic things which I don't plan to burden the team with). However, none of those are pressing enough to send Johnson off for shopping right now.

Posting IC this evening.
BlackHat
Not sure why Johnson is on the list for people who need a commlink upgrade. I'm guessing Angel could get into it if she put her mind to it, but its the best comm money could have boughten at chargen. biggrin.gif If we're thinking we all need comms better than that, we definately cannot afford them.
Abbandon
Oh god im gonna die!!! JDragon you get to roll 6 more dice for the first aid kit.

cerberus's shopping list, spoilered for space management.
[ Spoiler ]
BlackHat
QUOTE (Abbandon)
cerberus's shopping list, spoilered for space management.


Most of that look like useful gear. Can't promise we'll get it all, but it should definatly be on the list.

I think Cerberus is more than capable of buying his own wardrobe of gigantic troll jumpsuits. biggrin.gif I think Mr. Smith would look pretty silly gathering up those.
Abbandon
dont forget the insertable tampons for Angel either bitch!! nyahnyah.gif
BlackHat
>.< *forces thought from mind*

Yeah, for my sanity, lets try to keep the initial list to things that:
A) Pertain to this mission, specifically
and B) you are unable to go get yourself during the day or two the team might end up resting up

Seems like getting ahold of guns and disguises and whatnot is totally Smith's department on this mission, but sending him to the grocery store after flats and soda isn't really in his plan.

Also, while it would be nice if Cerberus had more throwing knives (didn't you just find some?) unless you literally plan to throw a knife at Louie Finnigan, as opposed to shooting him to death with the smart-linked gun you also requested (not to mention the smart-linked gun you're clutching to your body even while unconscious), it doesn't really seem like Mr. Johnson's problem that you're short on knives, or cannot dual-wield LMGs. Since, as far as I can tell, Cerberus is the main reason we might need to rest up past this evening, at all - I have very little sympathy for him. biggrin.gif

If we want to start a "gear wish-list", I could fill it up with a million things that we can't afford, and won't end up needing. Since this is a fixed-cost contract, we're working on a budget, and Smith is almost certainly going to veto certain expendatures if he isn't given a good explaination as to why it would be a good investment, right now (read: how it helps us with this mission).

Once this mission is OVER, its a whole different story. If we manage to do this under budget (looking less likely by the hour), we can take whatever profit is left, throw a bitchin' party, and spend the rest gearing up for the long-term. That's cool, and was pretty much Smith's plan for the evening - but since half the team was on death's door before he even met them, he has dealt with the fact that this mission isn't going to be that clean and easy.
Vegas
QUOTE (adamu)
Hey, didn't the wiki used to have links to the 2nd and 3rd wave IC threads? Am I looking in the wrong place?

I took them down when I started to re-org the wiki. I've since put them back up smile.gif

Sorry for the hassle nyahnyah.gif I keep forgetting people MIGHT want to go back into them wink.gif
JDragon
Let me get that roll done.

Here is the updated roll adding the First Aide kit (6), keeping the crap rolls from the first roll.

First Aide (1) + Logic (4) + Helper (1) + First Aide Kit (6) - Conditions (2) - Implants (2) = 8 dice
1, 3, 5, 5, 2, 1, 2, 3 = 2 hits

I don't have ranks in Medicine so no help there. :-(

As for shopping, I can't think of anything that Rocky needs since he doesn't use guns as his primary weapon. I upgraded my comm recently but I'm sure it could use more work.

If we are expecting a heavy gun fight (which if we don't get the jump on them it will be) some heavier armor would be a good idea.

JD
Konsaki
Instead of having you guys buy a good commlink for Caittie, I'm just going to take Burnhouses commlink that's still in the back of the van. It's probably not all 6's on stats, but it's definatly better than the one I have right now.
For the most part though, she doesnt 'need' anything else but a few days of downtime, which money cant buy unless you purchase a safehouse or something.
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