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BlackHat
QUOTE (Konsaki)
Just where are Caittie and Adam headed though? To the clinic or somewhere else?

I had intended for us to go to someplace safe nearb yto do matrix overwatch (At Sledge's request)... sort of forgotten about it though. biggrin.gif Glad adamu remembered. Also, if possible, this would have been a great place to send Rocky to.. .but otehrwise, anywhere near the clinic is fine - I just didn't want to accidentally send Louie's guys RIGHT to the place were Cerberus was, and wanted to be able to grab Rocky in a hurry.
Konsaki
@BlackHat
You need to adjust Rocky's ETA to around 5-10 minutes. Its been around 40 minutes since Rocky headed out.

Also, I'm going to use your talking about the two meeting with Cerberus to remind Caittie to discribe Cerberus. I forgot to do so earlier, though that post will be up in around an hour or so.

EDIT: I also updated Caittie's takes on all the characters she has met so far. It might not be much, but she hasnt had much contact or conversation with any of them yet really, other than Adam and even then, not much.
BlackHat
Oh yeah, good catch.
Konsaki
Ok, descriptions of Rocky and Cerberus, Caittie style, in the IC. The picture is from the SIN on Rocky's commlink, since I havent logged out of it yet.

@BlackHat
Caittie will follow you inside the diner and to the table/booth you get. Perferably, she will sit across from you.
She is sending the messages as they are both walking in and sitting down.
BlackHat
I wasn't sure if Cattie had given Smith the actuall commcode id (or whatever contact information he would need) to call Rocky himself yet... I htought yo ujust patched me into a call you were having with him... so I suggested she call him back in a way that would make sense either way. biggrin.gif
DireRadiant
Sledge doesn't have much gear.... no camera, except the bike sensors, for whatever they are worth.

Unless Fortunato has one, Caittie and Adamare going tohave to earn theri keep by hacking some cameras and other sensor systems themselves.
BlackHat
That's fine. smile.gif Good to know the bike has sensors! Mostly, didn't know if you had some badass cybereye or something. wink.gif For now, assuming Fortuanto's not super tech-sauvy... but at least all commlinks have a camera built in, right? At least, I think I read that somewhere.. .for pictures and video-chat and whatnot.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (BlackHat)
That's fine. smile.gif Good to know the bike has sensors! Mostly, didn't know if you had some badass cybereye or something. wink.gif For now, assuming Fortuanto's not super tech-sauvy... but at least all commlinks have a camera built in, right? At least, I think I read that somewhere.. .for pictures and video-chat and whatnot.

Yeah, from Sledge you can get a picture of the inside of her head. Not pretty.
DireRadiant
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Dec 4 2006, 10:22 AM)
That's fine. smile.gif Good to know the bike has sensors!

All of Sensor 1... Hey, it can tell where the road is!
Konsaki
I would expect an average rating 3 commlink to have a camera and mic of some sort. Caittie's is an el-cheapo and probably doesnt have them, its up to Adamu though.

As for my last IC post, its part RP and part explaining what age she looks like. Since elves have a longer life span, I figure they mature slower too, thats why she looks a few years younger than what she actually is. Orks on the other hand mature faster than the human standard. I think it states that about orks in the BBB, but I dont have one on hand atm.

As for the blunder I speak of in IC, its the fact that her SIN says 21, while she just said 17. Adam might catch that due to her flinch and muttered comment. Its up to you, BlackHat, how you want to run with that. Just figured it would add some openings on how to flesh out my char and an opertunity to figure out how your char would respond.
JDragon
Ok, I am at the diner now looking for Cattie.

Once he sees her he will stumble over and introduce him self, and then we can get the party started.

JD
BlackHat
@Konisaki: Any chance you have that information on hand about Louie? I could go dumpster diving through the thread's history for it.. .but if you know right where it is, that'd be easier.
Konsaki
QUOTE (BlackHat)
@Konisaki: Any chance you have that information on hand about Louie? I could go dumpster diving through the thread's history for it.. .but if you know right where it is, that'd be easier.

[ Spoiler ]

This and a bunch of other things like accounting and whatnot that Adamu didnt deemed unimportant at the time.
BlackHat
Awesome. That was just what Adam was hoping for. Man, mob guys need ot take a page from shadowrunners and desperatly try to hide any evidence that you were ever a real person. biggrin.gif They're way too easy to track down.
Konsaki
Brought Angel's timeline in sync with Rocky's. Also notified the two over near Cerberus about the situation.
MK Ultra
Wow, you guys are posting so much IC, I guess I will have to take a day off, to catch up with it all wink.gif

I like it so far, but thatīs still 2+ hours ofreading behind the latest post - Iīm a slow reader, but I will catch up eventually smile.gif

P.S.: Mmmh hot & spicy chinese instant chicken soup nyahnyah.gif
adamu
pragma

Hope I didn't step on toes there - tried to base your action on what you'd said you'd do, and didn't want to describe it once OOC only for you to have to describe it all over again IC.
adamu
QUOTE (DireRadiant)
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Dec 4 2006, 10:22 AM)
That's fine. smile.gif Good to know the bike has sensors!

All of Sensor 1... Hey, it can tell where the road is!

Yeah, BBB woefully lacking in vehicle sensor info - but based on SR2/3, level one is simply "basic anti-collision" stuff.

I do think that ALL commlinks have cameras - just based on the fact that virtually all cell phones have them here in Japan today. Whether they are good enough to get a decent picture of anything would, naturally, be a question of rating. Still, with the easy availability of image enhancement software....
DireRadiant
QUOTE (adamu)
QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Dec 4 2006, 10:52 AM)
QUOTE (BlackHat @ Dec 4 2006, 10:22 AM)
That's fine. smile.gif Good to know the bike has sensors!

All of Sensor 1... Hey, it can tell where the road is!

Yeah, BBB woefully lacking in vehicle sensor info - but based on SR2/3, level one is simply "basic anti-collision" stuff.

I do think that ALL commlinks have cameras - just based on the fact that virtually all cell phones have them here in Japan today. Whether they are good enough to get a decent picture of anything would, naturally, be a question of rating. Still, with the easy availability of image enhancement software....

Yeah, but Sledge's is an implanted one...
adamu
OOPS. Yeah, without the eyecam, then, you are pretty much outta luck.
adamu
Konsaki

Your question on agents is duly noted. If you don't hear from me on it by the end of my usual long Saturday session, bug me.

I will try to find the thread you mentioned and look at that before deciding.
pragma
QUOTE (adamu)
pragma

Hope I didn't step on toes there - tried to base your action on what you'd said you'd do, and didn't want to describe it once OOC only for you to have to describe it all over again IC.

No toe stepping at all. That is, in fact, what I would have done.
BlackHat
QUOTE (adamu)
Konsaki

Your question on agents is duly noted.  If you don't hear from me on it by the end of my usual long Saturday session, bug me.

I will try to find the thread you mentioned and look at that before deciding.

Heh, well, its pretty obvious which side of that fence I am on. wink.gif I'm willing to go with either interpretation, and definatly don't want to start another thread about the issue here, but for what its worth, I'll summarize my stance, since I'm one of the PCs its bound to impact the most...

Basically, my arguments against the interpretation where the programs loaded onto an agent count against it are:
[ Spoiler ]

Just to be fair, I'll offer up three reasons to rule that the programs DO count against them, from what I remember of the debate Konisaki mentioned:
[ Spoiler ]

So, there is no obvious good answer, and until sometime in 2020 when they put out the new matrix sourcebook we'll never know how they intended it... but one absolute must, I think, is the ruling that if you only bought one copy of an agent program, it can only be running once in memory. Otehrwise, either ruling goes crazy. biggrin.gif
adamu
You guys are making my computer illiterate head hurt.

I will definitely note your thoughts as well, BH.

On Saturday.
Konsaki
Ok, I also don't want the OCC thread to drop down into a debate about agents, but I will offer some counter points to a few of BlackHat's points.

QUOTE
[ Spoiler ]


Counters to A and B
[ Spoiler ]


Notes on C
[ Spoiler ]


Tactics if agents had their programs count
[ Spoiler ]


If agents stay with their programs not counting, then I will most likely get Caittie a batch of them as she gets money in. They are so much better at protecting your commlink than a sprite due to the fact that you dont have tasks on an agent. You can have it running constantly, forever, instead of ticking down each 8 hours.
Truthfully, even if their programs count, she will still most likely get a few for the same reason. You would just have to use more tactics with them.
Vegas
Can I just say for the record, Sledge scares me biggrin.gif
Konsaki
QUOTE (Vegas)
Can I just say for the record, Sledge scares me biggrin.gif

Yeah, I would say she was more violent than Rocky or Cerberus just for the fact that while they had careers that required them to be violent, hers didn't yet she still performed violent acts. nyahnyah.gif
BlueRondo
Sledge's picture scares me, but it's absolutely perfect.
BlackHat
Last comment on the agent thing (I promise biggrin.gif), which actually supports Konisaki's case - but I know Adamu loves book references, so here you go. If nothing else, it might give him a good starting spot for his quest for answers come Saterday.

QUOTE (BBB pg.227)
"Agents exist independantly of other users in the Matrix, and are the equivilent of Matrix drones."


QUOTE (BBB pg.227)
"Agents use the Response attribute of whatver node they are run on; this means that the attributes of an agent operating independantly may vary as it moves from node to node."


QUOTE (BBB pg.228)
"If an agent is acting independantly, any programs it's carrying must be active, and so may affect its Response."


Since an agent uses the response of the system it is running on - this DOES seem to lend evidence that an agent's programs will decrease the response of the system it is running on - be it the user's commlink, or some node he is uploaded to.

I'm prepared to be wrong, but I'll probably need to adjust my programs if this is the case. wink.gif
MK Ultra
Iīd actually read the last quote the oposit way. If the book says and so may affect its Response it clearly refers to lowering the agentīs respons and -since it dosnīt say so- not the systems response!
So if the book dosnīt say anything else in another place, it would be clear to me, that the program an agent is carying DO effect the agentīs Response, but DONīT affect the Systems Response. It seems to be quiet clear to me indifferent.gif

Just my two euro-cents (which are worth 2.6634 US-cents nyahnyah.gif)
DireRadiant
Response of the Node the Agent is running on caps the Response of the Agent.
The agent itself counts as software on the system it is running on.
The agents payload software affect the response of the Agent itself.

You need to keep in mind context as well. The response of the node the agent is running on may different then the response of the node the agent is running software against.
Konsaki
Ok, I've been thinking about it over the past couple of days, and I decided to make a slight change to Caittie's appearance. Her looking like she is 15 is stupid, especially since we have some 21 year old elves joining when they are through with their "Hitting Bottom".
The way I'm going to spin this is, Caittie looks like she is true 17 years old, but that is 'young' for shadowrunning or whatever. technically, without her Fake SIN, she would still be considered a minor under UCAS law.
She will still raise some eyebrows, but not as much as if she looked 15... Yeah that idea was real stupid now that I think about it... sarcastic.gif

Since nothing has come up about her age accept for her outburst with Mr Smith, and I edited my post to work with his response already, it shouldn't break the space/time continuum. biggrin.gif
BlackHat
Yay! Now she's the good kind of jailbait. wink.gif
pragma
@Adamu

Fortunato intends to walk to the closest thing he can find to the front door to the clinic and talk with whoever is there. Not sure if you want more IC from me or if you want to step in. I'm fine either way -- just let me know.
adamu
BlackHat

Pretty quick on the draw there pal. Exactly what a GM fantasizes about. Very cool.

But do please note that your comm call is seriously threatening our space-time continuum - if Fortunato answers that call now, it'll be like a collision of matter and anti-matter...no need to edit anything, but best hold up at least until a brief conversation with the receptionist can bring Sledge and Fortunato up level with you.
BlackHat
Lol, that's fine. I didn't look at the timestamps. biggrin.gif I guess we did push ahead with conversation before they really had a chance to report in. embarrassed.gif Sorry guys! In any case, I can edit my comment about them being silent if need be -otherwise, at 06:53:37 they can respond to the call that I've already made - since the details of that are unlikely to change.
Konsaki
When Rocky moved to sit down in the booth, which was human sized I'm guessing, Angel slipped out and sat down on one of the stools at the bar, though turned around to face the booth. I dont really want to write this into the IC because I cant really think up anything at the moment to go with it, and I dont want to have just a movement action for the IC... I'll think up something though.
I'm just saying it in OCC just so Johnson and Rocky dont turn to a spot she isnt in and try to interact with her.

Hmm... thinking about it, I will throw something she could do. I'm going to dismiss Sabin (my current Sprite) and compile a Data Sprite. I'll then have it do a data search for Rudolpho's, since Johnson brought it up.

Compile tests
[ Spoiler ]


Data Search = 10 dice (Keywords = Rudolpho's, Resturant, Mob)
4,3,2,6,6,3,5,3,5,1 - 4 hits
BlackHat
Good call, I was thinking about digging up info on it too but didn't want to get too much more ahead in time (and might be getting up to help Rocky to the clinic) so sicking a sprite on the task sounds good.
BlackHat
Lol, googled those same keywords, for kicks, and got an add for a mobile resturant guide.
Konsaki
Heh, hopefully I come up with some usefull information.
BlackHat
Will probably wait on the timeline to respond to Rocky. Right now I would suggest we (or just you) head over and see if we can't get that wound looked at... but if they respond to Johnson's comment by saying "OMG WTF don't come overz!" then he'll probably decide he should patch you up himself.
Konsaki
Johnson trying to patch up Rocky wont do any good, because I believe he already tried a First Aid check. Would be just RP, I guess, if you tried.
JDragon
QUOTE (Konsaki)
Johnson trying to patch up Rocky wont do any good, because I believe he already tried a First Aid check. Would be just RP, I guess, if you tried.

Actually he hasn't done any First Aide.

All i did was IC fluff.

He was to out of it when he got to the coffin motel to do much.

JD
Konsaki
QUOTE (JDragon)
QUOTE (Konsaki @ Dec 6 2006, 02:45 PM)
Johnson trying to patch up Rocky wont do any good, because I believe he already tried a First Aid check. Would be just RP, I guess, if you tried.

Actually he hasn't done any First Aide.

All i did was IC fluff.

He was to out of it when he got to the coffin motel to do much.

JD

I stand corrected then...
DireRadiant
Since about 06:48:25, since Sledge got everyone on her subscription list, that was the first time she had all Fortunato, Angel, and Mr Johnson available, for anyone that is interested, you have a feed of the real time updates of everyone of the following node GPS locations.

Sledge Commlink
Fortunato Commlink
Mr Johnson Commlink
Sledge Harley
Warehouse/Clinic public node (probably just an exterior node that doesn't do much for the clinic other then provide ARO cover)

Unless you specifically block the feed and your signal, you get a green and red dots (Other people or things) on the map grid picture updated every few seconds.

Sledge doesn't feel conversational, so no surprise at the lack of chatter from her.

For those interessted, Sledge also gave accounts and subscription permission in that communication, so you can access her commlink and run the software on it as well.

Which includes the following
Agent 4 (Busy running Scan, Decrypt, Spoof or Edit, where do you hinkthe GPS map imagery is coming from?)
Analyze, Browse, Command, Edit, Encrypt, Scan 4
Decrypt, ECCM, Exploit, Sniffer, Spoof, Stealth 3

I do consider it entirely appropriate Mr Johnson and Angel are too busy oogling each other to notice this useful information...
Konsaki
Notes from the Official FAQ:

QUOTE
Do all the programs loaded into an agent affect the Response of your commlink if the commlink is running the agent?

Only if the agent is using those programs.


QUOTE
Can System or Firewall be encrypted?

As programs, they may be encrypted when stored. They may not be encrypted while they are running.


QUOTE
The book seems to indicate you can buy different grades of bioware just like you would cyberware. Can you buy alpha (or beta- or delta-) grade bioware (cultured or standard)?

Yes, you can.
This one is interesting...

Overall, the FAQ is kinda sparse, but it provides some good Official answers to questions.
adamu
Well, it looks like the FAQ came out just in time to make my Saturday rules-research nightmare easier.
But now I'll have to read through it....
BlackHat
"Only if the agent is using those programs." What does that mean? That you could load an agent with programs its not using? Like, if I gave some IC analyze and edit... but it was only using the analyze every round to look around, it would count as two programs running... but on the round where it saw something, and used edit to tell someone else about it - then it would count as three?

Hmm
Abbandon
Just think of an agent like a comm. You can have 50 programs on your com but only the ones you have actively loaded can be used or count towards its performance.

Would you have to send commands to an agent to make it switch out programs or could it do a switch automatically.

Like it could go from searching for information to attacker if it detects IC ?
pragma
Assensing the receptionist: # dice: 8 :: 3 1 5 1 2 3 2 4 -- 1 success
Assensing the guard: # dice: 8 :: 1 5 1 2 1 1 2 1 -- 1 success, glitch

Rolling UCAS Special Ops knowledge skill to see if Greg's tradecraft picks up on something I missed (because I'm mostly shooting in the dark): # dice: 5 :: 1 6 2 1 5 -- 2 successes

Also, if I stepped on anyone's toes with the IC, edits can be had. Just trying to keep up witht he blazingly fast diner scene.
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