Now that would be funny! Our own little soap Cheesy annoucer voice "Next time on How the Hood Turns"....

Wyrm's debating on cutting in and getting Halo out of her bind (seeing as I'm being a snoop and spying on you and all ), let me know if you need Wyrm to run interference.

@Dranem

Oh she totally would have had she A) known Wyrm was actively watching and B) Aziz hadn't stepped outside. Heh.

I personally think in terms of simplicity, the two team option and the cali options are easiest/safest. I have no problem what we decide. I personally prefer the 2 team method (and I outlined a suggestion for the 2 team method on my mechanics page too.. which you all skipped or didn't like )

The only reason why I came up with the 3 team option, was in response to JAX's story.

For the massive decoy bit. We only need one shoebox with a real gun in it, if we use warded shoeboxes. So if you got the heavy one it's the real one.... I figure gangers can figure THAT out... right?

I like the idea of putting someone on the boat to help the escaper cross the river to help lose tails, or just switch off boxes @ the boat or whatever...

Just to clearify, I won´t post the whole discussion IC, still, TF will give his suggestions/opinion, but the discussion just goes much faster over here.

I have some reservations about doing a 2 team option.

There is no purpose to have a small team guard it, and here is why I think this:

We have to go on the assumption that the package cannot be tracked directly. If it can (either through magic or tech), we are screwed. We therefore have to assume that if someone does come for it, they will not know its exact location, but rather simply that our gang is in possession of it. SO...

If whoever comes looking for it goes straight to the real one, a small team is not going to be anything but a bump in their path. This wastes lives...ours.

If whoever comes looking for it has already taken out the decoy force, there is no need for the small team to further guard the box. Think of it this way...everyone but you and 3 others in the gang are dead or otherwise out of commission, but hey! you're gonna get a favor from the Ancients....yay!. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it for my ganger that considers everyone else to be his family.

Since we have to assume that the box can't be tracked directly, it would be better to just have one or two people hide it (Slam and someone else) and have everyone guard the decoy (for the reasons above).

@ silo - Those are good points, but I didn't think the "real" one would be sitting around waiting for an attack. That's why I chose the team I did... all are stealthy, all are fast (just JJ needs a bike).
If we do go with one force, that's fine... we just need to establish escape routes, and I'd still want the same team running away with it. reason I picked the "Real McCoy" team as it is now, is because, Auran has probably watched ChinaDoll lose some tails and cops after streetraces, Raven and JJ are sneaky little fraggers, and electrode has a hovercraft and drones. In terms of escaping a major gang fight... this group of 4 would probably be the closest to getting out.

So yea... so maybe we should just vote... 1 team together, or split the team up?

[edit]Also, those guys could give the real box to a drone, tell it to fly high, and be a pretty damn strong cavalry coming to save our hides too. So they wouldn't be sitting there alone after their family died (again for some) [/edit]

[edit2] See now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know how to vote. IC i'd vote for two teams.... OOC I'd love to make a grandstand with my fellow gangers facing all out war defending our base.... tough damn decisions[/edit2]

Silos point is very valid, either the whole gang will run, when the oposition is too tough, or the small team that runs should be with a decoy, to lure the force away and make them split.
There is no sense, in a seperate small group, to run with the real thing, when the oposition cant track it via tag or magic.

So yes, I´d vote for real and decoy being in one position, whith the whole gang. But when the heat comes down, we have to have preestablished small parties, to try and devide the oposition and get them traped or ambushed.

How many people can fit in Electrode's hovercraft?

We can get two on each bike. Not sure how may bikes we have, but I think they could account for either 8 or 10 people. I bet the rest could easily fit in to the hovercraft.

If so, we could all take off if necessary (chances of it being neccessary are lessened somewhat if we are all together as a bigger force).

Staying together and laying low also makes sense becuase of the heat from the SS fight.

I like the designated small teams, but we stay together unless we need to split. So we need one more decoy.

And don't forget Thyn's van.

Something some of you may know IC, especially since it's Saturday night, is that China Doll sleeps in on Sundays. Really really sleeps in. It's her weekly crash from long haul. This may or may not strike some as relevant in assigning tasks.

@Dire - Meh... think of it as intervention 410 Crasher style

Eh, we'll just dope her up for 3 more days. YAY!

That probably won´t work, let me take a quick look...

Ahw, funny, keeping her awake (without another does) will just make her disoriented (-2 dice pool mod), as she suffers from hallucinations, etc. (I know this state of mind ). Would make for a funny RP .

Puting another hit of LH into her, will keep her totally awake for another 1D6/3 d, but then she will definitly fall unconcious!

@Vegas
Wow, Halo´s eyes are that good
Or is she waiting for another iteration of Brainscan, taking greater Seattle out of power?
You know, with all the straylight, Astronomers have problems spotting stars.
Oh, but that´s probably the cause for all of our pc´s lifes being so fucked up, huh

I´m sorry, I´m a smartass, you may hit me now..

So all in all, all three teams start in the same location, each with a box. If the drek hits the fan really bad, we split in three teams and scatter away.

@Silo
If he's very very convincing and nice, and doesn't scratch the paint, JJ could probably take Felix's bike.

I just moved JAX over to the new site (yeah, yeah, late) and when tallying his points found I had underspent! Woohoo!

So with 18 points I got Dodge 1, put 4 points into contacts and 1 pt into group contacts and the rest into Resources. So I may just purchase a bike. Or maybe not depending on how seductive other things are... and the fact that he has no active skill... maybe Pilot: Groundcraft would be better than Dodge...

EDIT: Forgot - If I'm remembering this right, I think Halo has the best area knowledge and I think her small team should have the real box.

Congratulations, unspent points are allways a wellcome warm shower aren´t they?

Well, I´d not say this is still true, with the 600 bp champain (no misspelling;)), my regular group want´s to play. Just can´t think of a cool character, with this many points, all the concepts and Ideas, I allways wanted to play seem lame with 600 bp. That´s a real problem for me! And all that inspite that I was the only regular gm for over 10 years and are generally burning to be a player under most any sircumstances.

Concerning putting wards up in the HQ, what rooms should we do? (concidering the fact that Felix on his own can only ward about 150 cubic meters)

That's better than the alternative...

@GM (and all can chime in)

Potential stupid question/discussion here..

With the whole set up of low level connection/loyalty shared contacts for the gang, and all the extra points people have blown into those that haven't been decided yet, Anychance we can all keep our personal contacts (or the talismonger in the case of those that were sharing him personally) and ditch the points for "group" contacts and in turn possibly introduce our personal contacts to the gang who then could use it as RP material to make them transition into group contacts eventually? Perhaps TG is willing to throw us a "bone" here much like "Home Turf" and give us 1-2 (possibly 3) NPC Contacts for "free", Very low-level of course, but enough to get the basics done in theory?

Like in the Stuffer example. Lets say JJ got hurt WORSE than a flesh thru-and-thru and needed medical attention and Nurse wasn't on scene, could it have worked that someone who has a Street Doc contact used their loyalty to bring people in more or less one at a time, not the ENTIRE gang showing up on the doorstep of a shadowclinic all at once or anything, when necessary?

Or if Nurse's parents run a shadow clinic... isn't that kind of a "Duh!" moment there, or is it just me?

I'm just thinking there are a few things I wouldn't mind spending my extra points on

How about we get this show on the road and start "voting" about what plan we're going to adopt.

I agree with Silo: don't forget that our characters are gangers, most of them not even 18 and have no previous training in serious operations. We aren't shadowrunners, who would plan this like crazy, get three or four safehouses setted up, do the legwork and all.... We are "punks"

@TG - I'd like to try to ID the orks we fought with at the SS. I know I probably should have done this earlier on, but I never got around to doing the roll.

TF: "I know Sun-Tzu!"



Ok, bad movie reference, I think Mister Juan has a point, we should not overdo planing.

To teamwork on the "spike knowledge", JJ should probably lead the pack (his pool is highest), so that would be 6 dice +1 (TF´s hit) + X (Halo´s hits) + Y (whoever else joins in´s hits).

Have to watch latenight now on tv!

Wow... do you really get to use Attributes on Knowledge skills? I never could find any direct reference in the rules, though the fact that they are associated with Attributes might be an indication.

Anyway... here's the Gang ID roll.

I think Aziz is about to call for an all out assault on the Ancients!

Wooop! This is going to be fun!

Let´s do this, when they owe us, we can pull the favour, so they don´t fight back and take over thair turf and assets

Alright, so a quick sketch up of the plan I think everyone is going for:

-The gang is seperated in three teams:
Team One: CD, Felix, Aziz, JAX, JJ
Team Two: Halo, Tao, Electrode, Auran, Neo
Team Three: Raven, Bronze, Nurse, Thyn, Toy

We all bunker down in the HQ, and wait it up. If anyone wants those boxes, they have to come to us. Since we know the surrounding area, and the Y, probably better than anyone else, we definitly have the home field advantage. All three teams stay in the Y and we protect it.

If things start to go south, we break off, split in three teams and scatter each. Each team should pick another location for them to head out to.

What we to clear up:
-What do we do with the "inactive" PCs?
-What about Slam?
-Who will be the "leader" of each team (if we get split up, it's going to be a bitch if no one takes charge)?
-Who gets the real box?

We should also do a quick list of what vehicles we have at our disposal, and what sort of "special items" we all have to bunker down.

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On an aside thing, I believe that who ever comes after the package, we should actually let them get in the Y... This will not only make them think they've got the jump on us, but I don't think that gunning them down in the street outside our HQ would be a good idea. It would be less "public" that way.

As for the getaway, I think we should go as far as to get the bikes inside. Would be sorta stupid to park all the vehicules outside, and then get them slashed to ribbons before we can get to them.

So, we stock up on food / water for three days, get a few bunkbeds up, and get ready for siege warfare. We can even post a few people/drones/watchers outside, hidden, a few streets off the HQ to get some sort of warning if someone comes our way.

All we have to do after that is set up an ambush inside the Y and wait for them to come to us.

And here are the characters who aren't in a team yet.
0day
2by4
Cammy
Knives
Steel
Slam

hmmm... i think everyone misunderstood my suggestion. my suggestion was not to indicate we got anything from the guys who hit the stuffer, other than the information that *they* have something

thus, no one comes after us, they go after them. we get revenge. and we all live happily ever after.

that being said, i'm not gonna push for anyone to accept it.

now then, someone asked how many people can fit in the hovercraft: i would guess at least 7 or so. it says it can be used for cargo or passenger purposes, and realistically speaking you don't use a sedan (for example) as a cargo transport... you use a large van or something.

as an added benefit, i would presume that as something that can be used for cargo, it could be parked in the loading bay area, and be readily accessible.

as far as bunkering down/special gear...

well, electrode has truly ludicrous amounts of microwire. which does 8P when you try and climb it or such without special gloves.

in other words, poor man's razorwire/monowire (8p is a heck of a lot of damage, after all). i can only imagine what it would do to someone who drives into it on a bike

and on a side note, electrode does have a spare "bike" of sorts. sorta. it's not the fastest thing out there, but it gets you from point A to point B. He mostly uses it for getting places when he isn't in a hurry and going over the river is the fastest way