Cha (6) + Intimidation (-1) + modifiers (10) = 15 dice
3,[5],[6],[5],[6],[5],[5],3,3,2,1,1,4,2,4 = 6 hits

Well, personally, I was never very good at the whole free-form role playing type of game. I can never really think of something for my character to do and get into it.

If you read my posts in the SR forum you'll see that as a GM and as a player I'm more stimulated by the tactical aspect of SR than I am by the character driven aspect.

So, it's a bit hard for me to think of things to do which seem interesting.

This isn't a critique or slam at anyone. Rather, it's just how I am as a player. It's difficult for me to operate in a free form environment.

BYE!!!! feel free to jump into any storyline later when you feel like it!

Pffft ok, let me get to this point by point.

I actually dissagree. A Talismongerer is a place where awakened people meet. I see no reason, why it would be suspicious or inapropriate, to meet infront of it in the astral. I.e. 2 mages want to visit an astral-club (or any other place) together, one knows the place, the other does not, but both know the talismongerer, so why not meet there and fly to the club together?

To quote The Merovingian, its simply a matter of 'cause and effect'. If you had the dignity to check back, before throwing wild accusations, or remembered the original long wrap-up post, that I edited out to comfort you, you would have seen, that the timetable for TF to meet his Watcher had been set long before Vegas edited her post to come back earlyer, even before she made the original 'late return'-post. The Watcher was sheduled to leave Halo ~15:17 OOC-weeks ago and meet TF at the clinic (where he intended to be, until you pointed out that he would not be welcome as a paying customer anymore). Off cause, TF had to set the exact meeting point with his watcher outside the clinic, as you mentioned some time ago, that it would be warded, and he would logically chose the front, as not to draw any attention to the secret shadow-clinic in the back. After Vegas´ editing this turned out to be just before Halo left, so the Watcher lost her, when he returned to gether details for Tao, after which he sent more spirits to search for her -futil however it seemed- and waited for their report (the OP of not projecting to Halo´s place himself had as well been established in my original post allready).
On a general note on Metagaming (though I can´t see any in may last post, as elaborated on above): What is the problem? It´s not like I placed a bet on an event I kneew the outcome OOC, to make a huge stack of money, or influenced any other pc or npc even. This was suposed to be a game of fiction, which naturally calls for use of OOC knowledge at times, to create interesting reading. And then I also have to ask myself, if Metagaming without any gain for the pc is such a horrible thing, why didn´t you mention Vegas´ obvious Metagaming, when she edited her previous post, to get back into the IC action earlyer? Not that I have any problem with Vegas doing this, but your critic against me seems a bit biased from my POV, due to this!

Well, I really can´t see, why this would not be metagaming if I had talked to Vegas about my post before hand, but would be if I did not talk to her (btw I did so and she didn´t voice any objections).

Interesting defenses. As pointed out above IMHO it would be perfactly normal for an astral form to hang around infront of a Talismongerer now and again. TF is sitting there (not inside the building) for 5 minutes or so, it´s not like he´s doing a stakeout for hours or even days. But let´s asume for a moment, Nurse´s Mom has her Spirit-Gestapo flying around the block (read outside her property in public space). I´d find it interesting how the Awakened Auburn got a license to have this kind of setup. Or dos she not have a license? Probably the Store is not even licensed then (because if it where, this proactive security would likely be picked up on any regular inspection). Then IMHO, having an astral neon sign swirling around the illegal store, 'would most likely not be a good idea...'

On a general note: What´s up?! I start getting anoyed by the way you seem to pick on my posts as an ST & Player (and only on mine, as far as I can tell). But I´ll do you the favour, that you denied some people in the past, giving you the benefit of doubt and assuming you meant no ill will. So is there more to this?
Do you have a problem with me in general? Then please state so bluntly but precisely!
Do you have problems with the way I post? Then please voice constructive critic (i.e., just state that after 5 minutes, Nurse´s Mom astrally pops out into the street with her force-3-broom-stick-weapon-focus, to sweep away the potential customer. then I can work with that IC), instead of droping a post or comment on me, that generally comes around like 'your post sucks and your RP stinks, so eraze your last post and send any further ones to me for aproval before posting'.
Did emo samurai stop posting lately?

Anyway there is some conflict or misunderstanding, so here are the options I see, we can handle this.
1) Go on as before and I´ll ignore any further picking on my posts or person from your side. Off course this isn´t really a viable option, as I would have to read your OOC anyway for the sake of the game, so it will eventually lead to me leaving, rather soon then later.
2) Keep your complaints to yourself. I also don´t think, this is a way to go, as we won´t be abled to build a well running game this way, and as I stated I AM interested in feedback.
3) Post any further complains and critic in a constructive and to the point way.

Time to chose an option. I hope you don´t make Mister Juan a prophet.

Sorry all, I´d like to keep the game alife, but I´d rather want to sort this out sooner then later, before my hat blows like Juan´s did and I just leave.

Not just Mister Juan.


...and...
Happy Birthday, MK!

I also have a problem with any metagaming going on.

Metagaming - my definition:
Using OOC knowledge that your Char should not know.

Vegas's editting of her post has no meta-gaming at all, since it is actually more of her IC knowledge that she forgot OOC. Halo was the one that set up the date with Rahim at 8 PM.... so it's not really OOC knowledge she didn't know.

My problem with metagaming is that it destroys a lot of fun that can happen in RPing. Life is filled with secrets, public faces, private lives, and dark brooding times of personal alone time. If all of a sudden someone knew where Auran got her white bandana, and mentions it IC. A) it's metagaming and B) Auran will kill them while they're sleeping as well as anyone esle who overheard anything.

YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER HAVE TO USE OOC INFORMATION TO CREATE INTERESTING READING! that's the biggest load of crap i've ever heard. The use of OOC info makes reading pointless and dull and makes the "fun" of role-playing diminish.

*hides the lighter fluid and matches behind her back*

The Talismonger shop is were awakened people shop, it's not a coffee joint, it's not a hangout, because of the nature and quantity of items being sold, it would be the equivalent of hanging out inside a bank, or outside of an expensive boutique (like Macey's).
Being a large astral beacon (seeing as it's filled with magical goods), the store does have a larger assortment of wards and peripheral astral security than some small corps do. It doesn't take up the whole block - as you are accusing - but the wards and security do also cover the shop and their residence.. the residence in which you have so conveniently parked yourself at.
For magical security - again the abruptiveness of my message probably didn't help - you would have gained the attention of the shop's front watcher, and Nurse's mom or simular astral entity would ask you as to what you are doing here, if you are interested in shopping, then kindly visit the shop in the meat, otherwise, please be on your way. Much the same way security would push off loiterers that lurk around expensive shops.
Mages are a very rare, cliquish group (read often snobish). They have their own private clubs and gathering places, you won't just find them (astral or otherwise) hanging around outside a magic shop. For most, that is below their station.

As for your claim on the validity of the license of the shop, I think you took your accusations a step too far.... How about I start accusing you the validity of the 5th Hell? In fact I think you would owe Kart an appology for your outbreak, but that's just my opinion.

I don't remember a previous post about you deciding that the magic shop was a good gathering point for your magical summonings, I'd have to read back on it. As a note, traditions (irregardless of the unified magic theory) still don't mix much. Controlling such astral creations in the poximity of a hermetic magic shop and a shamanic lodge would draw attention, and maybe even concern. It's not a matter of pushing away clientelle, it's a matter of protecting your assets.

Metagaming is not Ok, at any degree. Consent on character knowledge is not metagaming, it's establishing common understanding.
Examples of metagaming - and I'm not the only one who's made coments about these events:
- Using gangers real names. Considering that TF is not from the neighbourhood, you would have to establish who's real name you would know. Street names are used to protect one's identity, not just cause they sound cool. I perfectly expect Wyrm to not know the full names of all the gang members, cause some of us were not raised in the same hood.
- Using character backgrounds to your advantage - again we've had more than one person ask how TF would know certain information about certain characters' pasts.

Honestly I don't have anything against you MK. Really, I don't. Though I would like to point out that you've been called on to correct posts on more than one occasion while attempting to overstep RP in a group without waiting for other people to react. This just seemed like another situation were you were using posts for forward your own agenda without any discussion with those involved on how it may affect them.

Constructive Criticism (because you asked):
I think some of your posts require a little more spell checking and grammar checking. Like you, English is not my first language. (though I most likely use it more than you do) I'm Canadian French, and I've fallen victim to odd grammar myself on more than one occasion, but I do try to correct myself when I - or other people - point them out.

If you feel like I'm attacking you personally, I would like to note that I've yet to criticize any of your storytelling.. and actually I don't have any. If I was to be attacking you just for the sake of doing so, I would probably have made comments about it, but I have not. I hope that this example, in some small way, provides some proof that I am not out to get you.... but I'll leave that for your judgement.

Perhapse I'm being overcritical too often. It wouldn't be the first time, that I admit to, and in situations like this, I hope that other people approach me if they think I'm intruding too much. As this thread was started, we're building an cooperative fiction, if one person is prone to ask "Why did that happen, or how does a person know this?" they are probably not the only ones thinking such.

I guess my problem is that I enjoy debate, I like to ask the tough questions, sort out possible misconceptions or misunderstandings. I like to resolve unasked questions before they become too large a problem to correct down the road.

Because of my occasional confrontational nature, I'll reserve my criticisms or private discussion, I'm sorry that people have left cause I choose to voice my concerns openly. I'll shut up now so that you can all be happy.