Wounded Ronin
Apr 11 2006, 11:51 PM
QUOTE (ES_Sparky) |
OPFOR? Good lord man, who do you think is coming after us? I think this is a fine plan for a bunch of punks to have cooked up.
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I dunno, dude, it's Shadowrun. Supposedly areas of Seattle are dominated by Mad Max-esque heavy-weapons equipped vehicle gangs who look like mutated manga characters out of Hokuto no Ken. I don't see why someone couldn't take 20-30 grunts and two or three mortars, surround a hideout, and just bombard it all night.
QUOTE |
And, if you look, we're actually doing what you say - scattering to the winds. Only bad thing is that I don't think anyone has remembered any of the boxes.
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I thought we were gonna hide in the hideout first and then scatter if necessary. But, yeah, if the overall plan of action is to run around screaming and hide in random places, then I think that's the best thing to do.
Rokur
Apr 12 2006, 12:23 AM
Umm... I'm sure mortars will alert star pretty fast. other than that... Yea, we WOULD get the tar kicked out of us if they brought mortars, without the mortars, or any other demolitions, I think we'd be fine.
Silo
Apr 12 2006, 12:55 AM
Anyway Wounded Ronin, we aren't getting mad amounts of nuyen for this either. We're getting a "favor".
Bleh, mortar rounds and all night bombarding (besides the Star coming to our rescue) means we all leave.
We've had these discussions already....
Jaid
Apr 12 2006, 01:21 AM
ok then... TG has indicated there are, in fact, devices connected to the commlinks we snagged from the robbery... so it's time to find out what they are, and therefore what we can steal
now then, unfortunately i don't have my PDF on this comp... so here goes some guesswork:
Matrix Perception test (to figure out what the heck these devices are)
CODE |
Intuition (4) + Analyse (3) + technomancer (2) + home ground (2) = 11 dice 1, 4, 4, [5], 4, 4, [6], 4 [5], 3, 1 = 3 hits |
now then, i'm only throwing home ground in there on the off chance that it actually is a device on gang turf, otherwise i assume it doesn't apply. also, i have this odd feeling i have something a little off there... specifically, the attribute + program formula looks a little off to me in the matrix, so i am wondering if that should be a computer or hacking skill instead? in any event, if it is not applicable, just remove those last two dice i guess... and now, because i don't know how many devices there are, and therefore how many tests i might need... more rolls!
CODE |
Intuition (4) + Analyse (3) + technomancer (2) + home ground (2) = 11 dice 1, 1, [6], [5], [6], 4, 3, 1, 3, 2, 1 = 3 hits |
CODE |
Intuition (4) + Analyse (3) + technomancer (2) + home ground (2) = 11 dice [6], 2, 2, [6], [6], 1, [5], 3, 2, 4, [6] = 4 hits |
CODE |
Intuition (4) + Analyse (3) + technomancer (2) + home ground (2) = 11 dice [5], [6], 3, 2, 2, 1, [6], [5], [5], 3, 4 = 5 hits |
and if that doesn't cover me, TG, you have my official permission to roll for me, as often as needed
or, if you prefer, you can just use those 4 rolls to get a general concept of what information i get (or you could do that with the first one, really).
and could someone check the mechanics of that for me, please?
for the time being, i'll keep my sprite on call, but not necessarily present, and i'm just *looking* at the devices, trying to find out what they are.
Silo
Apr 12 2006, 02:08 AM
What devices connected to the commiks did TG refer to?
I don't remember that.
TinkerGnome
Apr 12 2006, 02:09 AM
QUOTE (Silo) |
Tinker, JJ will proceed to ask Rahim if he can score some nova....a bunch of it. Let me know (yes, no, come back later, etc), and I'll IC the rest of it if you want. |
On the coke, you can score up to his connection rating x2 doses without much trouble. He can get you an additional rating x4 doses in 24 hours, but he wants half the cash up front.
Drug prices are pretty well static. Each net hit on the opposed negotiation roll moves the price by 5%. Your contact rolls 6+connection dice for pretty much everything.
On the commlink, let me think about it a bit.
Vegas
Apr 12 2006, 02:51 AM
So we can score 4 doses of Nova right then and there, 8 more if we give him 24 hours.
As far as costs go, are we gonna roll up for his opposed rolls or are we gonna wait for TG to roll it up? If it's ok with TG, I'd rather have someone make the opposed negotiation rolls so we can keep this moving and not bog it down anymore.
Thoughts/Opinions?
Dranem
Apr 12 2006, 03:06 AM
As a note Jaid: You either use Your resonance+Skill (for threading) or a CF+Skill, not both.
Silo: Jaid had asked awhile back if there were devices subscribed to the commlinks, so that we could maybe snag a free bike, or car, or drone, or track down a residence keyed to an automatic lock.
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 03:36 AM
Seems like the points are all jigglefritzed at the
Group Contacts poll site. The totals are all jacked.
I think we need to not track whose points are going where (though I made the exception for TF and Raven) it's a little confusing. To me anyway.
If folks who see this post could go over their sheets and see if I mis-listed their point contributions or if they need to do something with any points that may have been freed up by a contact going into the group contacts (Treeno for BW and Graham for Electrode for example).
So Jaid... You put in 2 to the group contacts. And spent 6 on Graham. To make him into a group contact - unspend the 6 points for him on your sheet, put two more points to group contacts (for a total of for from you) and then you'll have 4 points to rebuy his loyalty. This means you can get his loyalty up to 5 or get it back to 4 and have 1 point to get
2,500 or toss into the group contact pool, or something.
Jaid
Apr 12 2006, 04:02 AM
whatever. net result is the same. you may call it what you want
now then, @ dranem:
who's threading what now with resonance?
last time i threaded was for scan (to check the box) and browse (to search the commlinks).
there is no threading in my last post... it's all natural. i have analyze naturally. i get + 2 to matrix perception tests for being a technomancer, and i get home ground (if applicable) naturally. are you perhaps mistaking my intuition for resonance and misplacing 3 with 2 or something? ie, should i be using a program + skill? if so, what skill? that will probably knock 3 dice off of each roll anyways, since i think most of my applicable skills are at 1
heck, i suppose i probably should have gone full VR for another +2 come to think of it... no reason not to as a TM. really, i tend to think of electrode as being in full VR as often as possible anyways, since that's more or less his addiction (and explains why he doesn't often use drugs... well, that and an utter lack of ability to RP drug use on my part lol...) but i just didn't think to give him the bonus... which is ok. i expect those rolls should be enough to at least ID the basic kind of device we're looking at, which is all i want, even if you were to take away a hit or two from each of them.
Wounded Ronin
Apr 12 2006, 04:03 AM
QUOTE (Silo) |
Anyway Wounded Ronin, we aren't getting mad amounts of nuyen for this either. We're getting a "favor".
Bleh, mortar rounds and all night bombarding (besides the Star coming to our rescue) means we all leave.
We've had these discussions already.... |
Well, dude, if someone is going to call in support weapons on a structure I don't think you'll just be able to leave, because the rest of their forces would of course be surrounding the structure in question.
But if you don't want to discuss this, fine with me. Since we're playing a gang I don't care so much about how good the strategy is one way or the other.
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 04:19 AM
QUOTE (Jaid) |
whatever. net result is the same. you may call it what you want |
I call it that you have Graham at 3/4 and 1 extra point to do with as you see fit.
So let it be written. So let it be done.
Thanee
Apr 12 2006, 05:36 AM
Thanks Dranem!
Just figured, that
Nurse is still there, but then I saw that
Wyrm has already sent her a message.
Bye
Thanee
Dranem
Apr 12 2006, 05:44 AM
Living alongside Nurse's family has given Wyrm a sortof empathic sense when it comes to people (First Aid 1 ain't hot, but it helps on perception rolls).
If I see someone ain't feelin too hot, I call my nurse!
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 06:33 AM
@ Vegas, Rokur, Silo and Voorhees
Ok we get 4 doses from Rahim (plus 8 tomorrow). The pecise price is not decided yet
-Auran (3 hits so far) gets Homeground (+2) & Teamwork (+4 so far) bonus
-other modifires may aply, to both Auran (I think +2 or +4) and Halo (I think +1 or +3)
-Rahim rolls 8 dice against it.
, but it doesnīt metter that much, for what hapens next.
They should ask Rahim for information and than, we will probably head back to the Y, getting some gear, maybe, on the way. Most of Taoīs "war-gear" is still at Auranīs place.
Or do We have anything else? Oh, yes, CD wanted Bliss, too, and Tao asked for Cram.
Silo
Apr 12 2006, 12:00 PM
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) |
QUOTE (Silo @ Apr 11 2006, 07:55 PM) | Anyway Wounded Ronin, we aren't getting mad amounts of nuyen for this either. We're getting a "favor".
Bleh, mortar rounds and all night bombarding (besides the Star coming to our rescue) means we all leave.
We've had these discussions already.... |
Well, dude, if someone is going to call in support weapons on a structure I don't think you'll just be able to leave, because the rest of their forces would of course be surrounding the structure in question.
But if you don't want to discuss this, fine with me. Since we're playing a gang I don't care so much about how good the strategy is one way or the other.
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I hear yah. And, hopefully my other comment wasn't too rude.
It's just that we talked about this for a couple of days, a couple of days ago. Your points would have been received better if they had been in that timeframe.
We pretty much came to the conclusion that you state as well. We are a gang of kids and well, we're fine with whatever. (If we were Shadowrunners, I'd not like our current plan and would want something much more elablorate.)
That's why two of us are out playing pool, three are trying to score some novacoke, and the rest are, for the most part, just chilling at the HQ.
Silo
Apr 12 2006, 12:06 PM
QUOTE (MK Ultra) |
@ Vegas, Rokur, Silo and Voorhees
Ok we get 4 doses from Rahim (plus 8 tomorrow). The pecise price is not decided yet -Auran (3 hits so far) gets Homeground (+2) & Teamwork (+4 so far) bonus -other modifires may aply, to both Auran (I think +2 or +4) and Halo (I think +1 or +3) -Rahim rolls 8 dice against it. , but it doesnīt metter that much, for what hapens next.
They should ask Rahim for information and than, we will probably head back to the Y, getting some gear, maybe, on the way. Most of Taoīs "war-gear" is still at Auranīs place. Or do We have anything else? Oh, yes, CD wanted Bliss, too, and Tao asked for Cram. |
There is a slight problem...12 doses isn't enough. We need like 25-30 on the low end.
Of course, we don't have to get a bunch. We tried, failed, oh well, buy more beer.
We should definitely ask about Cram though. Could be our substitute since we didn't get a ton of nova.
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 12:25 PM
jep, sounds good. We would need 12h to find more nova on our own and it still wouldnt be enough.
Iīd say, take what we can get and go. No good to walk by all of our contacts, while the Star is out there.
Goliath
Apr 12 2006, 01:18 PM
Finished by gear stats contacts and all that..... can some one double check make sure I did every thing right... Thank you
Silo
Apr 12 2006, 01:52 PM
QUOTE (MK Ultra) |
jep, sounds good. We would need 12h to find more nova on our own and it still wouldnt be enough.
Iīd say, take what we can get and go. No good to walk by all of our contacts, while the Star is out there. |
Yeah, also, we need to let the story progress instead of dominating IC time with a few of us running around looking for nova.
DireRadiant
Apr 12 2006, 01:55 PM
If OPFOR shows up with Fire Support and enough bodies to keep us from leaving the Y, they can have the shoe box, and everything we know about the people who gave it to us. Obviously it's better to have OPFOR owe us a favor then those pansy Circle A elves who are too scared to carry their own shoebox.
We can even offer a foot rub to go with the shoe box.
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 02:01 PM
Second that.
If the Trolls are much more then the Troll-Variant of the Test-Orks, then they win. Itīs not worth it, having to run with that box from such strong opposition, to maybe survive and maybe keep the box, then return and have our HG (and what not) down in ashes!
They got explosive mortars (basically anything that fucks up our HQ/Turf), they win!
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (Goliath) |
Finished by gear stats contacts and all that..... can some one double check make sure I did every thing right... Thank you |
Browsed over it. I didnīt count points (though they are probably ok, as we checked that yesterday), but there are some things that hit me.
-Skill Groups are restricted to level 3 at char gen! so you have to change Cracking to 3 and spent the points otherwise or kill cracking all together and take the skills seperate -so you can have Hacking 4- again.
-You should consider picking a better OS for your Comlink. With System 2 (as is now), all your progies wonīt run at full strength! Try to scrap together 400
and get the Iris Orb instead of the Renraku Ichi!
-You can get a 50% cut at lifestyle, if you either still live with your parents, or squatt at the Gangs HQ. Both would mean however, that you donīt have your own place, with all the drawbacks. "As long as you park your lags under my diningtable ...!"
-Stravinsky might be interesting for other techies, too, so if you donīt mind, he could be a group contact available to everyone in the gang. Same points cost, but it can have itīs drawbacks. "Sorry, I cant crack that for you today, Iīm allready in over my head for 0day and China!"
Hope that helps
Silo
Apr 12 2006, 02:44 PM
the410crash is now on the top 7 list at WikiSpaces most active spaces. sr4gangers has dropped to 3rd.
hehe...the410crash had 840 edits. Sparky has 801....lol.
Vegas
Apr 12 2006, 02:48 PM
@ The Drug Run
Depending on how much of Aziz's stash he wants to throw in, coupled with the 12 hits we'll get off Rahim wouldn't that help a lot... or Silo are you thinking 25-30 hits on top of both? Not EVERYONE will want to do Nova I'm assuming. We could always ask him to spend another 24 getting us the rest we'll need. Someone's gonna be stir crazy and need to get out of the Y at some point. What better to do than another drug run?!?
Also, CD asked for Bliss but if we can't/don't want to swing it from Rahim, Halo will cover her a bit. Halo also has doses of Cram she might give up to the cause if necessary, if she's compensated or they're replaced in a timely fashion
And of course, someone *asks*
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 02:56 PM
TF has one line of nova and IIRC two cram munchies..
Also, I read through the Group Contacts today and now having one bp in excess, I would increas TFīs drugstash anyway (unless the 1 bp is much needed in group contacts). 2,5k buys a lot of nova and cram
EDIT: Vegas, you of all people! Edited Post Icon acordingly. Where is ES Sparky, when I need him.
Vegas
Apr 12 2006, 02:59 PM
What? what did I do NOW??
Sorry for being such a headcase yesterday guys. I blame the blueberries in the muffins I made yesterday for making me forget how to do math
Kartijan
Apr 12 2006, 03:03 PM
performing First Aid on Raven:
CODE |
Logic (5) + First Aid (3) + Conditions (-1) + Medkit (3) + Magical Patient (-2) + Home Ground (2) = 10 Results: 6 3 3 2 3 1 2 4 3 4 Hits: 1
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apparently not today..
oh well..
*hugs*
Kart
Jaid
Apr 12 2006, 03:22 PM
@ TG:well, aparently i have computers 2, and that's the skill for matrix perception... so then, my actual matrix perception rolls earlier would be 9 dice, or 7 without home ground... which changes the hits to:
1) 2 hits, 3 with home ground
2) 3 hits, with or without HG
3) 3 hits, with or without HG
4) 3 hits, 5 with HG
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 03:44 PM
Rerolling JAX's starting cash with his lifestyle improvement.
Moooooovin' on up!
(Movin' on up!)
To the top!
(Movin' on up!)
CODE |
Lifestyle (Low) (3) = 3 dice [5] 4 4 = 13 Starting Cash: 13 * 50 = :nuyen:650 |
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 05:16 PM
Okay, the contacts are in what I think is a pretty final state. Go check out the
poll and see if you have any additions/corrections/subtractions.
WR, I put Stryker and Oscar on the group contact list, that means you have 4 points to play with.
Goliath
Apr 12 2006, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (MK Ultra @ Apr 12 2006, 09:16 AM) |
QUOTE (Goliath @ Apr 12 2006, 03:18 PM) | Finished by gear stats contacts and all that..... can some one double check make sure I did every thing right... Thank you |
Browsed over it. I didnīt count points (though they are probably ok, as we checked that yesterday), but there are some things that hit me. -Skill Groups are restricted to level 3 at char gen! so you have to change Cracking to 3 and spent the points otherwise or kill cracking all together and take the skills seperate -so you can have Hacking 4- again. -You should consider picking a better OS for your Comlink. With System 2 (as is now), all your progies wonīt run at full strength! Try to scrap together 400 and get the Iris Orb instead of the Renraku Ichi! -You can get a 50% cut at lifestyle, if you either still live with your parents, or squatt at the Gangs HQ. Both would mean however, that you donīt have your own place, with all the drawbacks. "As long as you park your lags under my diningtable ...!" -Stravinsky might be interesting for other techies, too, so if you donīt mind, he could be a group contact available to everyone in the gang. Same points cost, but it can have itīs drawbacks. "Sorry, I cant crack that for you today, Iīm allready in over my head for 0day and China!" Hope that helps |
My skills were origanlly this.
Cyber combat 3 12
dodge 2 8
electonics skill group 3 30
Electronic warefare 3 12
Forgery 2 8
Hacking 4 16
Perception 2 4
pistol 2 4
Total BP 94
But who ever posted my skills chagned it to cracking skill group 4
I didnt wat to change it back in case there was some sort of rule modification I wasent aware about.
As for OS I didnt count my jacket which I purchased for 200
and my 4 VR games totalling 200
Ill swap my OS for the one that has the higher raitings... any one know which OS it is and raitings, I left my book at home and im afraid im at work..
-EDIT-
I dont mind Stravinski being gang Contact
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 05:28 PM
The skill group thing was my bad.
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 05:32 PM
Iris Orb OS has Response 3 and Firewall 3 for 1000
Vegas
Apr 12 2006, 05:32 PM
Can't he take the Cracking Group at 3 and buy up Hacking to 4? For 34 points, or did I misunderstand that in the book for CharGen?
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 05:33 PM
Not in chargen.
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 05:34 PM
With the standard rules, I think not, or at least he would have to pay for all 4 levels of Hacking. (thats the first thing I changed in my houserules).
Goliath
Apr 12 2006, 05:39 PM
Ok changes are made... im not quite sure I know how knowlege skill work..
But by looking at the others it seems to be what builds your character personality and maybe certain things he knows about
For instance
Goblin Rock
Famous DJ
Gang ID
Famous Deckers
Matrix hang outs
Shadowrun MMORPG
Spanish
English (not sure if thats given)
Stuff like that... am I close
HeySparky
Apr 12 2006, 05:41 PM
Yeah, that's right.
With your LOG and INT you have 27 points to distribute between all of those.
Vegas
Apr 12 2006, 05:52 PM
And one of your languages is your Native (free) so you'd only have to spend points on the second (or other multiple)
Goliath
Apr 12 2006, 05:56 PM
Just got that all put in, Id like to thank every one for the help and Pacients... Going to go eat lunch real quick then come back. So how would I start this dose some one introduce me into game do I have to wait for Tinker Gnome.....
Ill check back on this later
Once again thanks for the help to all
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 05:59 PM
Electrode would probably be the best to introduce him.
Steel would work well either.
You have to decide, whether your pc is already in or still has to be initiated like Nurse (Iīd suggest so, but itīs your choice).
Vegas
Apr 12 2006, 06:00 PM
You'll have to get TG's approval on the sheet, but for the most part innocent RP (i.e. no combat/decking specifics) I'd assume would be ok.
Would make sense (to me at least) to possibly have him know one of our other resident Geeks? BronzeWrym, Electrode... or even China Doll or Felix? But those aren't my characters so I'm not gonna volunteer them, just a suggestion. One of you all could bring Goliath "into the fold"
DireRadiant
Apr 12 2006, 06:22 PM
Goliath has no social skills... and is not having Exploit program intended?
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 06:36 PM
Thatīd be a bad thing Exploit is far more usefull, then Biofeedback Filter, i.e.
Goliath
Apr 12 2006, 09:20 PM
Ill make that switch... im not sure what exploit dose but im leaving work now and will read my book a little more when I get home.
I wont start till TG gives me the ok. Mean while iv been reading everythign thats been going on in the Forum.. Good stuff guys
MK Ultra
Apr 12 2006, 09:24 PM
You might alsowant to take a look at the backgrounds and characters of the other pcīs, to connect your pc to one or the other. It can take a while, befor TG has checked your char, as heīs quiet bussy, but as was said earlyer, you can do IC, that doesnīt involve any big mechanics!
Dranem
Apr 12 2006, 09:36 PM
Outiside of Spoof and Scan, Exploit is probably the most used hacking program you'll use. Exploit is used to find backdoors in login servers so that you can hack a node and take control of a sytem or device.
From there we're going to have to figure out how you fit in the fold... have you worked up a background file yet Goliath?
Note: Seeing as Goliath is such a game nut, I would recommend you buy points into group contacts like Treeno and Graham (Ork Underground contact) rather than stick yourself with a piddly C1/L1 contact who won't be motivated to help you out of a bind.
Mister Juan
Apr 13 2006, 12:33 AM
Just wanted to let everyone knwo that I'm still alive. My posting has simply slowed down to a crawl since I'm in my last week of school.
All in all, consider Felix is simply warding the HQ, and he'll then crash and sleep on one of the couches
MK Ultra
Apr 13 2006, 01:10 AM
We will see.
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