Make sure to get the license. And we do have two of them right? We'll get that truck.

Dammit.

well, i think everyone should wait and see what happens with the second accident before assuming they get away still.

after all, it's only about 1.5 seconds between accidents here. i don't see the truck getting up much speed to get two blocks away if it's getting into an accident every two seconds =P

so yeah, if the truck crashes again (which, given it is ganger driven, probably by someone with at best 2 skill and maybe 3-4 attribute, taking a -4 dice pool penalty iirc to avoid a crash... and from the sound of it, he probably also has a wound penalty as well =P)

heck, one more crash and the leader may be out of the fight (he has 6 stun damage already, and i believe that's before the first crash).

so yeah, don't go giving up on the fight yet... you have a very strong chance of winning this, with only the mage escaping.

and, accompanying your win, you get to loot the truck, and any other goodies those gangers have (probably some drugs, for example).

Well, we'll jump that bridge when TG posts the results of the latest crash test.

Is the truck heading towards those in the Van, or we just going to miss the fight?

Thyme

I'm editing my last IC post because the time is horrendously off and we are still in combat (which somehow I missed).

[edit] Just saw that TG posted. Urgh, this is frustrating. I'm still editing my post cuz it doesn't make sense right now.[/edit]

@TG

Is the ork JJ standing over alive or not?

@GM
Just wondering; is the driver still within LOS with Felix?

Felix can get LOS with a perception test, but it's obscured (good cover).

For those keeping score at home, the truck didn't get all that far. By the RAW, it covered less distance than a human would have walked in the same length of time, but I consider that silly. It is about 20m distant from the closest pursuer when it crashes.

Well, since a perception test for something "obscured" has a threshold of 3, with his -1 for defaulting and -1 from his wounds... Felix just can't spot the guy without using edge. So we'll just state that from his point of view, Felix cannot see him.

Meh, threshold 1 is sufficient for that test. Moving people certainly don't rate an automatic threshold 3.

@GM
Felix is going to check vitals on the ork and provide emergency care if he's in a critical state. If he can "wait" a bit, he'll run to his bike and back to get his medkit. If the ork his actually dead, Felix will turn his attention to JJ.

Since Felix isn't actually trying to heal him, yet, I'll just roll a normal first aid roll to diagnose the ork. I know it's an active skill, but I find it silly to add +2 for Home Ground... It's just not logical for something like First Aid.

@ GM
How close can TF get to Slam and the elf in the astral? are there any other astrally active entities (besids his own watchers), he can percive? If so, he won´t go that close to the talkers, but if not, he would be right beside slam, would he still have to make a perception test (the motor noise also is not that loud in the astral according to Grimoir/Mits).

If he still had to make a test:

You don't actually hear what people say when you're astrally projecting. It's the same as writing, you can't discern words, only emotions that are tied to them.

Really? IIRC, and I´m quiet sure about it, this is only the case with artifitially produced sounds, not with speech from living persons! Otherwise, they could simply have omitted the proposal to use watchers to evasedrop on persons they track in SR4.

Hm, but this could also mean interact, as in speak to someone. SR4 is quiet clear that an astral form can materialize to expand his senses into the physical plane, which would alow reading, etc.
While previous editions were unclear about this, they were very precise in that an astral from could listen in on anything spoken by a living person! However, since this is SR4, it woud be Tinker Gnomes call again.

If listening to persons from the astral does not work without manifestation, however, Watchers are useless to evasedrop (except maybe with blind people), as they have a grandious Stealth-Pool of Zero, with no Edge to spend (Perception-Pool is 0 either, which doesn´t allow them to keep thair distance, while evasedroping either.

EDIT:
Never mind

@TG

Is the ork under JJ and Felix alive or dead? We have been actively trying to find out...........

@TG
Thats fine. Then TF won´t aproach them. He will re-enter his body and try in vain, to listen in on the conversation via directional microfone.
He will tell one of his watchers (peanut), to alarm him, when any other astral forms try to spy on the conversation.

Yo, Kart, let's get Nurse to 'the scene'.

Rolled a die, to see if the contact is available. Since it rolled more then his contact-rating, he was. Late evening and night should be his most activ hours anyway.

There are three downed gangers. Two are still alive and bleeding to death. The gang leader was not so lucky and is now, I believe dead.

Yes, we can change to the new Wiki. What's the URL for those who are too lazy to dig back and find it?

New Wiki

Welcome!

If anyone needs anything, just let me know.

Okay, so....

Leader - dead.
Ork in front of SS - alive.
Ork in street - alive.
Driver (wounded) - running down alley.
Mage - whisking away.

th410crash

Not everything is ported from what I can tell, though Sparky's done a lot of work, it would help if people could make sure they're characters have been moved over and are complete.

I've finished Wyrm, and working with Kart to get Nurse ported over. Though right now I need her input and she's been pretty busy with the kids lately, don't know when her next IC post will come in, probably tomorrow.

[edit]
If you ever visit the front portal page of wikispaces...
sr4gangers is the top listed wiki for active pages
Sparky is the 6th most active wiki user for page updates!

YIKES!

Who knew?

Y'all are more than welcome to port over Halo if ya want to give it a go. I don't want to @$*#()@*$)(@$ up anything over there My Wiki skizzles are lacking. Or is the Wiki-Fu that I need?

I'm going down the list, alphabetically.

For the most part.

I'm up to Cammy, I believe. The real beat down is on gear. So if you see you character going up, probably gear will be the last to show up.

Also, I need some input here on what would be good to put on the mechanics template page. This is a list of useful common/specific rolls your character would need to make. Plus stuff like ammo and wound monitors. It's intended to be useful for any type of character you would want to make (or archetype anyway) with room for casting, hacking, fighting.

Right now it's a hybrid of JJ's mechanics and some general common rolls.

I really need an idea of what magic/matrix rolls would be good to put up.

Well I can help port over Halo if that'll be a benefit to you Now that I kinda understand how to use the text based editor on the Wiki

Uh, could you explain to me, than, how the tabels are worked up?

EDIT: Wow, just acidentally landed on the wikispace main page, sr4gangers had 1676 edits in the last 30 days (not counting the one I´m doing in a second).

@GM
Felix is going to try to stabilize the ork, so he can then apply first aid.

Bwahaha. The Wiki has been the #1 success so far.

Speaking of successes and failures, what do you guys see as being problems/good things with the first combat? I'm feeling the pinch of not using a combat map, which I'll be doing for the next battle. I do really like the actions going on the wiki, though. It's helping a lot.

Oh, I'm going to make a new thread here on DSF for the group's AR channel. What name do you guys want?

Well, since that was used IC it shoud be something with C410.

From an outside perspective, I think the combat went well, except some misunderstandings at the end maybe.

I also think the wiki is running exceptionally well.

I´d like to have a groupdecision on group-contacts asap, though.

The charting of the turf is running well IMO.

Would be cool for more people, to make thair own updates in the storythreats of the wiki.

EDIT:
@ GM
BTW, I´d probably like to change some spells (not sure yet). One Spell I´d like to have is Catalogue from the 3rd Edition, as it would be a real asset when helping out in the 5th hell (and in the Garage as well). Is that possible?

I'm not in favor of a new thread for the C410. To me, that is IC and should be in the IC thread.

I think the combat went okay. The time-threading is weird to juggle. It might be useful to have a clarification of what a time-stop is.

Is it a point past which you cannot post OR a time that your very next post should take you up to.

I have been going with the former, but it seems like some are going with the latter. It would help us coordinate.

Also, better OOC comms would help. And being willing to edit timestamps when we determine some sort of error has been made (like an arbitrary jump forward/backward by mistake).

All together I think it went well. I definitely like the rolls in the OOC thread, much more pleasant reading. And also the time/location stamps starting each post are nice too.

I probably side with Silo, though we should put up some convention for taging the Com posts with color (yellow?)!

EDIT: Uh, ES_Sparky, you dumped all the stuff trom TF-BG, is it all redundant? I planned to go through the other questions as well..

I like the idea of the Comm convos staying in the IC thread, it might help to colour code them however. The only complication I see with them is when we're split up like we are now with action going down in multiple locations. Because technically those of us @ the stuffer will hear/read/see all that is being broadcast from the Ancient's meet when we catch up timewise and those on the way to the meet have read/heard/seen all that's going down at the stuffer in their immediate history.

I think pulling the comms into another thread is just asking for more trouble coordinating posts and timestamps and the like. While it would be cool to be able to compile it for the Wiki, it makes it that much harder to stay on top of here.

@ GM
Oh, Tinker Gnome, is it ok for TF to show up at the 5th hell, as soon as he´s got the time, to get some sexua-EHR-meant magical healing
I´d think for loyalty 6, old Master Wang will probably do what has to be done, for TF to be healed up (possibly including the aid of a bound spirit). IMO at this level, it should be a free-of-charge favour (as long as it doesn´t hapen every night). They should be quit with some intel, TF will tell Yen, that he had been told by uncle Bob. If that´s not enough, he will offer to help out in the shop for free. Tell me what´s the score (and throw dice for Yen Lo Wang), please, so I can work it into IC, when the time has come.

China Doll is making her bikes sensor feeds available in channel crash 410. BronzeWyrm is subscribed and can direct the sensors, at least up until the time she dumped out of VR.

This means anyone in channel can get a pretty detailed feed of the "meet" by selecting the appropriate modes in channel.

I prefer the channel be in IC thread.

We will need a convention for AR and VR channels, as I think we will likely be running several different channels occasionally. Private chat rooms.

the tables can be expanded in one of two ways that i know of. not having firefox, i can't give any details about that way.

the other way is the text editor. having not actually tried it yet, i am really not sure at all how it works. but i think when you use text editor mode, the tables are turned into something like:

<heading> || <different heading> || <yet another heading>

<information> || <more information> || <yet even more information>


and so forth, with the || indicating where to draw the vertical lines, and maybe something at the end of each horizontal line (or maybe it just relays on return, which is an actual ascii 'character', but is not usually displayed iirc)

The only way I know how to "expand" tables on the Wiki is to switch to text editor mode (at the bottom of the editor page) and add lines that way.

Basically you'll have something that looks like

|| text || more text || even more text ||
|| text || more text || even more text ||
|| text || more text || even more text ||
|| text || more text || even more text ||

Place your cursor at the end of the last line or where ever you want to add a new table line, hit return and then copy the stuff above that line with the ||'s (shifted key above the return) and put your new text inbetween the ||'s

I then switch back to visual editor to make everything "pretty" with bold/italics etc.

Hope that helps.

EDIT:
I ported over Halo's sheet to the new wiki. Should be pretty close to done, just have to tweak a bit of info here and there.

I think you can just click on the arrow that shows up when you are in a cell of the table. Up puts a blank one above, down puts one below.

For both threads, feel free to post anything up to and including arrival at the gang HQ. The timestop will be 22:45:00. Do not post past this time. I will probably post the next post this weekend.

After the next post, there will be no backposting. This should let us clean up the timelines.