4988: I may not have Jackpoint as a group contact.
4988a: I may not have any Jackpoint member as a contact.

4989: I may not have my former company man carry around a brief-case lined with hermetically sealed plastic explosives with a hard-wired detonator all the time, as a "plan D".

4989a: I am not allowed to have "spares" in case of a run of bad luck.

4990: I am not allowed to have a car-bomb concealed on my Westwind because "the probability of a car ever having TWO bombs attached to it is unbelievably small".

4990a: Nor am I allowed to have said car-bomb as "plan E".

4991: My social adept/pornomancer may not be named Squick, nor may he try to live up to that streetname if it somehow slips by the gm.
4991A: No one wants to know fun anatomical facts of various species.

Did you know that ducks have explosive erec--
Draco18s is quickly gagged and hauled away.

4992. Taking the jokes of showrunners for popular TV series as serious ideas is frowned upon.
@MattNixTV (Burn Notice producer Matt Nix): "#burnnotice S5 is off to a great start. Lot of new stuff this year. Like Michael's robot arms and Fi's magic powers. And Sam's new shirt."
@MikeWest007 (me): "@MattNixTV I think you just helped me create a monster. Magical elf terrorist Fiona in #Shadowrun, that is."

4993: No longer allowed to simultaneously pull a Dallas and Alice in Wonderland with highly sophisticated AR BTL hacks on my group. They do not appreciate being told that the run they just did that ended in a running gunfight with the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man was actually a run against AZT and that Mr. Stay Puft was a Force 12 Blood Spirit and that the white rabbit's pocketwatch is actually a datachip with juicy paydata onit.

Aww, no fair.

That's the kind of thing my Mind Fuck Mage would do...

(Alter Memory, hells yeah).

I had the "Irish Republican Army in Exile" (IRAiE) show up in my games, if that helps.

Big question, why did Sam need a new shirt?

New girlfriend. And the shirt, it was PINK!

4994: While using an AM radio as discreet communication is clever it will make your GM make half words as he tries to think of reasons why anyone in the 2070s would randomly have an AM radio.

>>;

<<;

Yay.

Fixed that for you.




-k

Oh $Deity, make it stop!!!

This derailment brought to you by bronies.

I am far too amused by these.
Far, far too amused.
(Have I mentioned that I haven't watched the show?)

...Okay, I'm going to have to become a brony now.

4995. Threatening players with demonic excavators is never a good idea.

4995a: Demonic Highway Snowplows, OTOH, are OK.

4995b: Never offer up a giant sea monster as an alternative to fighting your BBEG (with the implication that the sea monster will be a harder fight). The players will always go after the sea monster.

(This came from a D&D game, the GM said some weeks before the game, "You're not getting off the island unless you fight the emperor. If you attempt to leave, I'll throw a 30 HD kraken at you." At the session itself the first thing I said was, "Who thinks we can take a 30 HD kraken?" And we probably could have. But the emperor was far more interesting. Jerkbag gold dragon* and his void disciple.**)

*Despite insistence that he was LG, he was probably LE, as he fulfilled his own birth-prophesy of causing the empire to come to ruin: "When your rein ends, the empire will collapse." So instead of faking his death at 80 years old and letting his successor take over, he ruled the empire for over 400 years in an attempt to keep the empire together as long as possible.

**Don't fight a void disciple. Barbarian was using his CHA stat in place of his STR. It wasn't pretty. Emperor got a similar treatment (in the beneficial direction).

HA! My group heard about the sea monster their Johnson was going up against (While a whaling ship was loading up with depth charges.).

They chose to go to San Diego and find a Shadowrunner that dressed up as Batman during ComiCon.

That's because the sea monster was the BBEG!

No, actually, I was torturing the group with having to find ONE Batman during ComiCon.

Haha.
Next time, have them find a green skunk riding a unicycle.
They'll never believe you that there's even one guy doing that.

(I asked him once, "why a green skunk?" and he replied, "I wanted people to remember me.")

4996: Friendship is not magic.
4997: I cannot banish spirits by giggling.
4998: I am forever banned from performing an 'evil, maniacal giggle.' It freaks everyone out way too much.
4999: The humanis policlub will not love and tolerate from one happy song.
5000: Pinkie Pie is not my spirit pony.
5000a: Twilight Sparkle is not my spirit pony.
5000b: I am no longer allowed to summon spirit ponies... Not that the GM dislikes them, it just messes with the theme of the game.
5001: Singing while on a run is acceptable. Singing show tunes from old cartoons is not.
5002: My sensei it the ancient martial arts was not Betty White.
5003: Seduction is a privilege, not a right. Pickup lines like "Ya know, you're kinda short, baby." on a successful roll will get my privileges taken away.
5004: I am no longer allowed to be alone with the Johnson after the "Tupperware Incident."
5005: The Yakuza are not interested in in my graphic novel ideas. Broad generalizations about Japan and its interests will not change that, and will, in fact, get me shot.
5006: While I am allowed to play an elf, we are not a race of total bastards. It is not in our national anthem.
5006a: We did not steal said anthem from the night ones.
5007: My spirit animals is not a tiger named Hobbes.
5008: I do not have a spirit animal. End of story.
5009: My mentor spirit is not Princess Celestia.
5009a: I do not need to write her a letter every week telling her what I've learned.
5009b: Especially if it involves Bubba the love troll. That's the kind of thing that gets you banished to the moon.
5010: At no point am I to ask any Lone Star employee if I can get Chuck Norris's autograph.
5011: I am no longer allowed to ask Lone Star employees if beer comes with free guns.
5012: I am no longer allowed to interact with Lone Star employees in any way except fleeing.
5013: I may not be employed at Lone Star as my day job.
5014: I may not create any biodrone with an oil reservoir where the bladder should be, that urinates oil, and then sets it ablaze, for the purpose of arson.
5015: Harlequin does not have a 'puddin.' This does not mean there is an opening for the position.
5016: My shaman is not allowed to give children syringes filled with random household chemicals and tell them it's the secret to his powers.
5017: Bubba the love troll was not my sensei in the ancient art of wang fu. If I ever attempt to claim this again, I will be forever banned from being the face.
5018: Brainwashing is not a full contact sport.
5018a: No, the football(American) padding and long rubber gloves do not help my case.
5018b: A sheep's testicle, a long neck beer bottle, a pair of chopsticks, a pint of Chanel No. 5, a spool of copper wire, a smoke alarm, a credit card, some red food coloring, and half a pound of dry ice are not the proper tools for humane brainwashing.
5018c: I am not allowed to explain how these items me be used together. EVER.
5019: The flank is not the most succulent meat on a troll.
5020: Dwarves do not have gizzards.
5021: For all intents and purposes, pixie wings are now poisonous to me.
5022: I am not allowed to sell meat pies ever again.
5023: Especially to non-ghouls.
5023a: That goes double for cupcakes.
5024: "Abusively sexy" and "ghoul" are never to be used in the same sentence again.
5025: I am not allowed to set myself on fire as a combat initiative. Even if I take no damage from it.
5025a: I am not allowed to set someone else on fire and wield them as a weapon. Especially if I take no damage from it.
5026: My ability to pick up and wield the street sam does not make her hit twice as hard. Even if physics says it should.
5026a: I can, however, give her double the attacks in this manner, because that makes so much more sense.
5026b: This style of combat is not urban ballet. The street sam will hit me if I ever call her "my leading diva" again.
5027: "The Gambler" is not an appropriate song to sing at a wedding.
5028: "The toughest jew in Belfast" is not adequate backstory.
5028a: It is the year 2070. The catholics and protestants in Ireland have been at peace for a long time.
5028b: That does not mean they teamed up against the jew in order to make us tougher.
5029: Being born an Israeli does not automatically make my character badass.
5029a: No nationality automatically makes my character badass. It helps, but there's more to it than that.
5030: I cannot play an observant orthodox jewish ghoul. This is a broken character concept.
5030a: Building a character for whom the very act of eating is a traumatic, psychologically harmful experience is not 'interesting,' nor is it funny when his weekly 'meal' occurs during a run. This results in everyone dying.
5031: A ghoul cannot pass for as vampire if he just takes a bite out of the neck.
5032: My ghoul character can and will be put on a watch registry if he continues to lure high school into alleyways to feed.
5033: Despite the fact that all the girls live, I am no longer allowed to remove appendixes to feed on, even if they are, technically, flesh.
5034: If I do somehow get away with luring high school girls into dark alleys, drugging them, taking out their appendixes, and then sewing them back up with surgical care and precision, double billing them for outpatient care is going too far.
5035: The fact that they are young, fit, and will heal better does not excuse my preying on cheerleaders. Even if they may ultimately be healthier for having it out.
5036: When my ghoul is hounded by people for being near a school, his response cannot be "Hey, I'm a monster, not a pervert! Have some decorum!"
5036a: When someone else calls me a monster, I am not allowed to say "Hey! No! That is OUR word!"
5037: I am not allowed to sell ghouls tickets to participate in riots.
5037a: Especially if my team is creating said riot as a distraction.
5038: My Ghoul may not be a high school teacher.
5038a: His name cannot be Mr. Kimura.
5038b: He may not "Really, really like high school girls."
5038c: Even if he's a sociopath and just enjoys messing with the students' heads.
5039: I am not allowed to play a bishonen ghoul. Any character whose romantic prospects makes the yaoi fangirl squick out are banned.
5039a: Especially if said fangirl is our gm.
5040: Said gm gets upset when I tell her that werewolves are rather violent when it comes to mating, and the aftermath of a tryst between a werewolf and a vampire is going to look like a murder scene.
5041: I am not allowed to ask the gm if she likes Twilight before I start making my character sheet.
5041a: If I do, I am definitely not allowed to make a surge'd pony girl with a star tattoo on her hip.
5041b: I am no longer allowed to be a Twilight fan, just to mess with the gm's head.
5041c: I am no longer allowed to be a Twilight fan for any reason.
5042: Ghouls are not 'basically just melting hippies.'
5042a: Even if I can confuse the gm into agreeing with me with fast talk.
5043: Walking into a high school cafeteria and snapping my own neck, even if I can survive it, is not an acceptable prank.
5043a: This goes double if I can stop my heart at will.
5043b: I absolutely may not return again the very next week and do it again.
5044: Tuesday is not my evil day. My character does not spontaneously become a psychopath for 24 hours.
5045: "It was in bad shape last week but now I fixed it" is not a suitable explanation for why we're going on a run in a van that had the engine explode a week prior.
5046: There are no such things as porn gremlins.
5046a: I do not have video proof of them. especially if by porn gremlins, I mean gremlin porn.
5047: Feral AIs are not to be used in cybernetic housepets.
5048: I am never allowed to record our runs as BTLs again. In retrospect, you guys really should have read the contracts I asked you to sign.

If you really want to know, I hadn't made a sale in three months, and I was going to be fired, so I told the Johnson that in lieu of payment, we'd prefer it if he bought a bunch of tupperware. This brings me to another one...

5049: I am not allowed to have a salesman on commission as my character's day job ever again.

I almost laughed at work.

5050: I can not exclaim to have stashed grenades or guns all over town for when a grenade or gun emergency happens. Again.
5050a: I can not stash grenades or guns all over town so i can exclaim to have stashed them all over town for when a grenade or gun emergency happens.

5051: I am not allowed to re-create X-men Characters as runners

5052: I am not allowed to attempt to make "Porter" from the movie Payback (there arent enough points in the game anyway )

5053: I am not allowed to create a Martial Art, even if Badassary is a rockin name

...

...

...

I want to know, but don't want to know at the same time.

5054: While a good group makeup would include a "Hitter, Hacker, Grifter, Thief, Mastermind", ripping off Leverage is just a bad idea.
5054a: I'm not allowed to make Parker. At all. Ever.
5055: My fork privileges have been revoked until I learn not to stab people.
5055a: And butter knives.
5055b: And sporks.
5055c: "HOW THE HELL DID YOU STAB SOMEONE WITH A SPOON?"

I had a spoon that I sharpened, it did quite a bit of damage.

God I love that show. My group is constantly comparing our runners to the Leverage crew. Our Troll Rigger is Elliot (because no one else can really deal damage), our Face is Parker/Sophie, our Techno is Hardison (go figure), and the mage is Nate. As GM, I've been officially granted the title of Sterling. =D

5056: I don't care if the group does plan to run primarily in the Zurich Orbital, no basing the entire team on the characters from Firefly.
5056a: Especially not Jayne.

5057. There are no rules for shooting him in the same bullet wound as the last shot and no you cannot do so as a called shot, even with a -4.
5057a. Especially with a Sliver Gun.
5058. The bonus to intimidate someone from shooting them in the kneecap does not stack if you do it multiple times.


(actually not things I did, things I had to explain to a player)

5059:
Regardless what the Missile Mastery rules say you will not be allowed to throw a soft pillow with the same destructive force of a good hunting rifle - a rock is fine, a pillow is not.

5059B: This goes quill feather pens.

5059C: And copy paper - regardless of your "Death by a thousand cuts" throwing style with Origami knives

Oh god I so want to do that, now ...

I realized I wanted that too after writing it.

A good thrower will do about 9P with a pillow, paper, feather or a grain of sand...because of magic.

Tip: Use shotgun spread rules when using missile mastery and a handful of sand.

Somehow I got reminded of that drawing of a troll in trackies throwing a baby through a police car.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3135/2282724...9b03_z.jpg?zz=1

Yup, that is basically missile mastery. Ufortunately you only do BOD stun damage of the body. Throw a pillow and you do STR/2 P with missile mastery as you choose what damage type you want to do.

but but....wouldnt you do BOD + 1 because of the missle mastery?

Nah, improvised throwing weapons includes metahuman body (Arsenal) and you only get +2 damage bonus for actual throwing weapons - so your throwing dagger will do about 10P+ in the right hands.

Orc with muscle aug, supra gland and bought 4 points has STR 12, add 3 levels of Power Throw and you get STR 18

Throwing dagger has STR/2+1 and then you have missile mastery so we get 18/2+1+2= 12P

5060: Beer is not a weapon.
5060a: OK, beer can be a weapon, but it can't be an interrogation tool.
5060b: OK, beer can be an interrogation tool, but it can't substitute for good RPing Letwork.
5060c: Fine, beer can be used for everything.

5060d: Emty Beer can is improvised cannon (9P AP-)

Except that you cannot break the Augmented Strength Maximum of the Ork (Which is 13 IIRC), even with Power Throw.

http://wiki.lspace.org/wiki/Ginger_Beer_Trick
http://www.terrypratchettbooks.org/discwor...beer-trick.html

I disagree - the only time Power Throw is applicable is for calculating throwing strength and damage. It functions more like a very limited Attribute Boost Adept Power and that one is not limited either, although that one is more flexible but has drain.

Nowhere do the rules state that you can bypass the Augmented Maximums by using adept powers. Therefore, you cannot bypass the Augmented Maximums. Even with Magic, whether temporary or permanent. The only place I have seen such a ruling are for the Powered Armor Strength Augmentation, and for Redlining Cyberlimbs. Since they are explicit examples, they allow you to bypass the limits. Since there are no explicit examples of such for Magic, then you must follow the general rules that state you cannot bypass those limits.

For Power Throw, All 3 Levels of the power will allow the average strength person to approach/hit his Augmented Maximum. They would be less effective for those who are already approaching their natural maximums.

5060: "Nice Shoes wanna F--k?" is NOT an appropriate greeting for the CEO of a company,and the GM doesnt care what my rolls are for it.

5060a: I am not allowed to "forget" to turn of my Voice's Adept command powers before i begin cursing...even if it DOES lead to entertaining situations

It's like we were at the same table...



Someone's been reading Preacher again, haven't they?

Yes, this part.


SR4 page 272

In Street Magic Errata they DO limit Attribute Boost power to Augmented Maximum but not Power Throw, they limit it to level 3 and nothing more.

From that I would rule that it DOES allow for a boost of power normally over the natural maximum since it is limited for just throwing things - besides, everything else that would be limited has that very text added to it, that it IS limited. At best you get a +3 base damage code with powerthrow so its hardly unbalanced.

As for comparing Attribute Boost and Power Throw... Here is where it breaks down. You use your attribute boost to gain your maximum Stat, and then you use Power Throw to raise the damage from there. Where does it end? In my opoinion, since it does not explicitely allow you to break the caps, as every example that allows it explicitely demonstrates, then you are still limited to the Maximum Limit. In no place does Magic allow you to explicitely, and specifcally, bypass those Augmented Maximums...

So, in the end, what you are saying is that we see things differently.
No worries.