Not new. There is an entire genre (or two) that fall into this.
"Mind Control" and "Magic" come to mind.



Doesn't mean it hasn't been done (and I know it has, but lets not get into my fiction preferences).

Guys we are getting dangerously close to getting this buitifull thread in the line of fire, BTU it just reached 800 posts

Hey, that might hurt my feelings... if I wasn't crazy enough to take it as a compliment.

2052. When gaming with Virgins, Children, Teenagers with blushing problems, and/or Nuns, I will not leave the perverted sex acts to their imagination, when the Internet is such a demonstrative source to fall back upon.

My mother warned me about people like you when I started tabletop gameing.

Yeah, could we kind of cut it with the rape jokes? It's really not that funny and actually pretty terrible.

2053. Either in character or out of it, I should stop trying to get people to play F.A.T.A.L. It doesn't matter if it's 'historically accurate' it's still sick.

2054. The BBEG's traps are gene-locked. They won't work on him. Stop asking.

I thought we were done with the rape jokes.

2055. No longer allowed to post rape-related "no longer allowed's."

No . . Hard Feelings . . then?
*runs for cover*

2056. As a GM is no longuer allowed to let a technomancer hack his own brain to forget something.

2057: There is no secret Dunklezahn sex trid.
2057a: Nor are there secret sex trids of any of the other great dragons.
2057b: Same goes for Nadja Daviar, Harlequin, Frosty, Netcat, Johnny Spinrad, or Erhan the Scribe.

Right, mainly because they aren't a secret!
*Ba da dum ch!*

Oh come on. With the epic benders that Harlequin is prone to, you KNOW there are tapes out there.

In painting, black and white photo, silent movie, super 8, beta max, VHS, VCD, DVD, HD DVD, Blue Ray ....

I think a mage as powerfull as Harlaquin would be able to keep those suppressed, if he gave a fuck.

This is Harlequin, so while yes he does give a fuck, probably not in the sense you mean.

I still insist it is not rape because she is willing. Rape is sexual activity with an unwilling partner. She's more than willing with the proper applications of spells, so it cannot be rape.

You would have to change the way the laws work to make it illegal.

This would tend to fall under coercion, magical yes, but legally identical to using drugs and such to do the deed.

Only if the laws now incorporate magic into the coersion laws (in which by 2072 I guess they would). However, the same is not true for all nations...

Who said I was joking?

I may be wrong, but I think that while today's law about rape don't explicitely list the use of drugs on an unsuspecting target as voiding any form of consent they may induce, basing a legal defense on that IRL is not likely to work.

Similarly in SR's context, using spell to manipulate the mind of someone without his/her consent is in itself illegal, and may even increase the severety of the legal punishment you face rather than removing it.

If we take a real life reference, legally how would be impersonating someone else to have sex with is/her partner be qualified ? Idendity theft ? Rape ? I have no law background so I have no idea, but answering this question could help us set a 2070 legal viewpoint on the topic.

But this topic is not the place this should be discussed - if it is to be discussed at all.

Per Street Magic, any use of magic in committing a crime automatically makes it premeditated. And given that there are some laws against use of magic to force confessions etc. - it's fair to say that mind-magic forged consent won't hold up in court. (Proving it could be hard, however.)



The real issue is the utterly sick line of thought that rape isn't rape if you force someone into consenting.

Well, the Spells ARE called mind-rapery for a reason you know . .

2058: Just because there is a "chunky salsa rule," does not mean that my infected character needs to carry tortilla chips on his person at all times.

Add: Could you guys please take the magic rape crap to another thread, and keep this thing on topic, please?

Thanks

2059: I do not get a defensive bonus for being on fire.
2060: You may take the exotic vehicle (riding animal) skill. You may take the Genetic Science specialization for Medicine. You may not combine the two for a Velociraptor mount.
2061: As above, substitute Tyrannosaur. Add emphasis.
2062: You may choose a rodent or reptile SURGE form. This does not grant you the Ninjitsu skill.
2063: There is no "Day Errant". Stop asking.
2064: If you bring a separate, wildly different character to the table on alternate weeks, he may not take your other character as a 'Day Job'/secret identity.

Are shivae or PURE horses* ok?

*If I understand the comics' interrelationship with each other, PURE comes after Shivae by some hundreds of years (or is that Cyantian?) and Shivae have more or less been domesticated into horses.

Ninja's can't catch you if you're on fire!

Being on fire does negate the vision penalties that the ninjas were using to hide though.

2065: I am not allowed to surge a character into a Na'vi !

2066. No matter how cool I think I am I may not field a mech like the Colonel's
2066a. Not that it matters cause some twinked out Physad is gonna put a arrow through the darn thing anyhow.

.... Fomori with a balance tail, low light vision, extravagent eyes, and striking skin pigmentation. Trained with Outdoors group, dodge, Husbandry group, Blades, and Archery (spec'd with bow). Technomancer, but instead of having a wireless signal, has a naturally occuring datajack, with brain-optic fibers. Whole planet is the same way - SURGED animal Technomancers with brain-optic datajacks. All vegitation are actually TMs as well...

EDIT: Going to go see it for the 3rd time today. 3D only.

That movie is good for an Eclipse Phase World. I already sent the idea to Catalyst Game Lab via twitter

2066: Not allowed to use my shock hand as "the ultimate joy buzzer."

2067. Not allowed to dress my character in a purple suit, white make-up and use practical joke themed weaponry.
2067a. The above shall be waived with a maxed out distinctive style and several other negative qualities made to simulate insanity.
2067a (addendum). No shooting the driver.

2068: I am not allowed to play a nymphomaniac ex-Catholic priestess theurge ever again.
2068a: Especially one who knows the spell Orgy.

2069: I am not allowed to let a character with the spell orgy in Manhattan not to have the special secondary mission : use the spell in a rave.

2070: I'm no longer allowed to swap my teammates ammunition with paint pellets even though they are more colorful than other ammo.
2071: I'm no longer allowed to put a "kick me" tag floating above all of my teammates in VR.
2071a: I'm no longer allowed to put a "runner here" tag floating above my teammates in VR.
2071b: I'm no longer allowed to put any tag floating above my teammates in VR.
2072: Supergluing the bullets within a clip is considered a bad idea from now on.
2073: Painting the safehouse a bright neon green is now considered in poor taste.

2071: I am no longer allowed to play a pornomancer or archetype variant thereof.

2072. I am not to attempt to use SURGE to make a velociraptor anything like this.
2072a. He can not be the result of experimentation at Site B, as Site B does not exist.
2072b. He can especially not travel through time.
2072c. Nor could he have been frozen since the Ice Age and recently thawed back out.
2073c.1. And even if he was, he wouldn't be intelligent.
2074d. His name is not Eno.

2075: Knight Errant Employees do not say Ni
2075a: Or Peng
2075b: Or Niiiiiiiiwom
2075c: Or Ecky, ecky, ecky, ecky, pakang zoom boing
2076: I am not allowed to sing A Lapdance is Always Better When the Stripper is Crying in the middle of that neo-Wiccan feminist collective farm in Snohomish whose name escapes me at the moment...

You get blasted each time you want to make a new character concept ?

---Edit---
2077 I am not allowed to not let a character concept be made. Even if it's never played.

Hehe, no, it's finding things I think would be awesome and knowing they wouldn't be allowed in the setting.

Hehe, no, it's finding things I think would be awesome and knowing they wouldn't be allowed in the setting.

I will attempt the raptor sometime though. :3

2078. I am not longer allowed to watch Bones. Well, no longer allowed to make a mage with a penchant for bones/bnecromancy of some sort as a NPC.
2079. Calling Hestaby darlin' isn't the way to do it.
2080. Asking darlin' Hestaby if she shouldn't shack up with Loffe or Dunkie isn't particular smart either. Especially talking about old eggs, fallovian tubes as female to female... It just.. Isn't. Done. Trust me.

Fallopian.

2079. A PC or NPC based on a character from Dead Like Me will just get strange looks. It doesn't work like that in ShadowRun and a character who thinks it does is going to appear crazy.

2080. "Smurf" Is neither a valid SURGE expression, nor a Lingo.

2081. I am not allowed to create a magical group in ShadowRun based off the Cult of the Purple Dragons who use voluntary victims in lethal ritual torture blood magic.
2081a. "Silent Pete" aka The Lost GM, however, can if he wants to. But I am not.

2082: I am not allowed to play a Rigger, a Technomancer or any other type of character that may be classified as an engineer.
2082a: I am not allowed to have my character aquire the skills to become anything in rule 2082.

This rule was implemented after playing in a Star Wars game where I created droids to create droids then used my army of droids to create hovering assault droids that put the destroyer droids in the new SW trilogy to shame.

And then made a master artificer in an Exalted game, went artifact crazy and took over Creation by myself.

Fortunately the Build/Repair rules in ShadowRun make things like that a decade long process.