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Lobo0705
All gear at this point should be purchased IC.

Let me know what you want to buy and who from - and I can post the results.
Always Overkill
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 2 2014, 03:13 PM) *
I was planning on contacting my fence at the AM meeting to see if she can locate an armor vest for me. You want me to see if she can get two?


Works for me, thanks!

Got a couple of errands to run, I will have my IC post for the morning up soon.
Jack VII
I'm shooting for two armor vests (no mods) from Honeypot. I'll post a text message in IC once we all get settled down at the shop.
DrZaius
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 2 2014, 03:34 PM) *
I'm shooting for two armor vests (no mods) from Honeypot. I'll post a text message in IC once we all get settled down at the shop.


I don't know if I want to purchase anything for Grease, but I may! I will get back to you, possibly IC. He may want some less fancy clothes & armor if he's going to be spending any appreciable amount of time in the Warrens.
-DrZ
Jack VII
I was thinking my suit was a little conspicuous, so I wanted to pick up a vest that could be worn under pretty much anything. Y'all just let me know after I post IC if y'all want me to try for anything.
Lobo0705
So, for the Armor Vest(s)

Honeypot's roll

10d6.hits (5)=4
10d6.hits (5)=3

vs Availability

4d6.hits(5)=1, 4d6.hits(5)=2

So she will be able to get one vest in about 8 hours, and a second tomorrow morning.


Jack VII
Great. Depending on what the others say in IC, I may have a few more requests.
Jack VII
Oh, also, I wanted to roll a quick knowledge check to see if Jack is familiar with any corporations that might be impacted by this UCAS-Sioux disagreement.

Knowledge of Sioux Corps: Business (2) + Logic (3) (5d6.hits(5)=1) (No glitch)

Chrome Head
I'm pretty sure it would really help out for Amy to have contacts with an image link. Cost is 225 in the book and the contacts have a basic avail of 6, which I find a bit surprising, but I'm ready to roll with it. So can this be purchased legally without a SIN? Otherwise, she'll need some help to find those.
Lobo0705
QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Feb 2 2014, 09:46 PM) *
I'm pretty sure it would really help out for Amy to have contacts with an image link. Cost is 225 in the book and the contacts have a basic avail of 6, which I find a bit surprising, but I'm ready to roll with it. So can this be purchased legally without a SIN? Otherwise, she'll need some help to find those.


Nothing can be purchased legally without a SIN.
Chrome Head
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 2 2014, 10:08 PM) *
Nothing can be purchased legally without a SIN.


Got it! Also, want me to roll for those 2 boxes of stun?
Lobo0705
QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Feb 2 2014, 10:09 PM) *
Got it! Also, want me to roll for those 2 boxes of stun?


Yes please.
Chrome Head
Healing 2 boxes of stun damage. Body 3 + Willpower 6 - 1 average conditions (not sure if it applies to stun)
8d6.hits(5)=3

Fully healed during the first hour of rest.
Jack VII
QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Feb 2 2014, 08:46 PM) *
Cost is 225 in the book...

Just remember that there is a x1.3 multiplier for visual enhancements. So they're going to be closer to 300 nuyen.gif when it is all said and done.

@Lobo: Can you roll for the Availability 6 AR Contacts?
Lobo0705
10d6.hits (5)=6

6d6.hits(5)=1

So she should have them in a little less than 5 hours.
Lobo0705
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 2 2014, 05:01 PM) *
Oh, also, I wanted to roll a quick knowledge check to see if Jack is familiar with any corporations that might be impacted by this UCAS-Sioux disagreement.

Knowledge of Sioux Corps: Business (2) + Logic (3) (5d6.hits(5)=1) (No glitch)


With 1 hit you know that the tariffs cover a wide range of products, electronics, pharmaceuticals, and food. The tariffs would affect a fairly large number of companies.
DrZaius
Lobo:

Rolling Denver Knowledge 2 + Intuition 3 for info on the Casino: 5d6.hits(5)=0 Awesome. Critical glitch.

Can I try to purchase the armor vest on my own, using the rules in the book on page 418?
Jack VII
OK, depending on the answer to the above question and whether Amy is going to want one too, my list is:

(2-4)x Armor Vest
1x AR Contacts

Rolls have been made for two of the vests and the contacts. I'll wait until Chrome Head has a chance to post IC whether Amy wants a vest or not.

ETA: LOL, and now th Casino has just become the front for an insect-spirit controlled arm of the Mafia or something.
Lobo0705
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 3 2014, 09:26 AM) *
OK, depending on the answer to the above question and whether Amy is going to want one too, my list is:

(2-4)x Armor Vest
1x AR Contacts

Rolls have been made for two of the vests and the contacts. I'll wait until Chrome Head has a chance to post IC whether Amy wants a vest or not.

ETA: LOL, and now th Casino has just become the front for an insect-spirit controlled arm of the Mafia or something.


Lol - while that would make for, shall we say an interesting meeting with Argent - "Why does he have those weird eyes, anyway?" You only got 2 ones, and you rolled 5 dice - so not a glitch, just a failure. So all your character knows is that it is a casino in the Hub. Possibly due to your amnesia smile.gif

ETA - each vest is 575 nuyen.gif, the contacts are 295 nuyen.gif
Jack VII
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 08:32 AM) *
ETA - each vest is 575 nuyen.gif, the contacts are 295 nuyen.gif

Hey, Grease rolled the check, not me! (He's having quite the run on knowledge checks) But I will say I have been waiting for someone to ask a question like that IC, so I could respond appropriately. For all he knows, Jack may have been a big-time whale at the casino before his accident, LOL.

For ease of bookkeeping, I'm just going to deduct the costs directly from everyone's cash accounts if they want to buy something from Honeypot. I'm also going to assume that Grease is not paying all of Argent's fee, so I am going to deduct another 50 nuyen.gif from everyone's accounts for that as well. If Jack were his old self, he'd probably suggest that Amy and Overkill pick up Argent's tab since they wouldn't incur the travel costs to the Hub, but he's not so much of a corporate penny-pincher anymore. wink.gif (Edited per DrZs OOC post)

Is the cost of soykaf subsumed by lifestyle costs?

Thanks and sorry about all of the questions/comments!
DrZaius
Grease has hangover induced amnesia.
EDIT: Not sure if this was clear, but I send the 200 nuyen to Chapel for the meet.
-DrZ
Lobo0705
@Jack,

I am completely comfortable with you being the "banker", so to speak, as long as everyone else is ok with it.

Sorry I somehow read that you rolled it, not Grease - he and I apparently got hit with the same bus that ran through the Broncos last night.

I don't want to nickel and dime you all the time - yes the soykaf is covered by lifestyle - as is basic food (unless you eat outside your means. Low lifestyles mean if you pick up stuffers at the local stuffer shack, it's free. Eating a 100 nuyen.gif steak isn't.) Now, if you had a High Lifestyle, I'd say that type of meal was included.

Alcohol is not covered.

ETA - Grease would have forwarded the money on his own, so you'll have to RP giving him the cash.
Jack VII
If Grease wants to pay Argent's full fee and doesn't ask for reimbursement, Jack has no problem with that. He probably figures it's less nuyen he can send up his nose during the job.

Also rolling to see what I know about the Casino. Rising Sun Casino Info: Denver Area Knowledge (2) + Intuition (3) (5d6.hits(5)=4) (Uh, wow).
Chrome Head
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 3 2014, 09:48 AM) *
For ease of bookkeeping, I'm just going to deduct the costs directly from everyone's cash accounts if they want to buy something from Honeypot. I'm also going to assume that Grease is not paying all of Argent's fee, so I am going to deduct another 50 nuyen.gif from everyone's accounts for that as well. If Jack were his old self, he'd probably suggest that Amy and Overkill pick up Argent's tab since they wouldn't incur the travel costs to the Hub, but he's not so much of a corporate penny-pincher anymore. wink.gif (Edited per DrZs OOC post)


Please do!

QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 3 2014, 09:48 AM) *
Is the cost of soykaf subsumed by lifestyle costs?


Not by my lifestyle cost, I don't think. I'm just a squatter.
DrZaius
I'm more than fine having 1 player be "banker"; if only because the dropbox keeps having conflicting file issues with a bunch of us trying to edit it at the same time.

If Grease can get the vest on his own without a fixer, here is his roll (he will wait until 10 AM when he is no longer a ghoul and is willing to speak to other humans again; I don't think that's too gamist but let me know if you think it is).

Negotiations 5 + Charisma 6 = 11 dice, vs Social Limit of 7. 11d6.hits(5)=5 hits.

Quick edit: So, according to my "you know a guy" positive quality, does that include this type of thing? It reads, "The character receives +2 Street Cred for any Negotiation with people from her Home Ground." i.e. does Grease knows the people where things fall off the back of trucks?
Jack VII
@Chrome Head: You mean like one of the masks that are turning up on the TV show The Following? Those look pretty damn real. May be I can see if Honeypot can snag an Eliza Starr mask. I leave pricing and availability to Lobo on that, plus whatever hit Jack's going to take to his reputation, LOL.

@DrZaius: I always thought the problem with doing your own equipment gathering was that you pretty much had to spend your time doing the legwork which would account for the time interval. I've never really worked with it much before, so I am not too familiar with the mechanics.
Lobo0705
Ok:

@Chrome - you are correct - you're lifestyle basically covers nothing - so you would have to pay for the soykaf (3:nuyen: for each)

@Jack -well, you must be VERY familiar with the casino smile.gif

Built in 2053 after the Hilton was demolished, the funds primarily came from Renraku (which would require some shrewd knowledge of the inner workings of the market - so this should be something Jack would definitely be confused about him knowing if you want to play that up.) There are whispers on the street that the Wakenda gumi have their own interests in the casino, but you have no confirmation of that. Security is of course, very tight, and is probably the reason Argent chose the location.

@Grease - an armor vest is legal. You can certainly purchase it without a fixer. However, it will need to be purchased using a SIN, and it will be associated with that SIN. So yes, you can do so, but I'm just letting you know ahead of time that should it ever be linked to a crime, then the SIN that you used to purchase it will be burned (so to save 75:nuyen: and buy it on your own, you potentially risk burning a 10,000 nuyen.gif fake SIN) up to you if you wish to do so, just let me know. And of course, if it takes you 5 hours to get the vest, that is 5 hours of you actually finding/acquiring it.


At some point, I will put up a list of common costs so that you guys (and Jack) know what to subtract and post IC. I'll also have what is covered by what lifestyles. (I hope to get it up today).

ETA - the "Know a guy" quality is not supposed to substitute for having contacts - it would be too easy that way. You do know someone who know where things fall off the backs of trucks - Chapel smile.gif
DrZaius
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:35 AM) *
@Grease - an armor vest is legal. You can certainly purchase it without a fixer. However, it will need to be purchased using a SIN, and it will be associated with that SIN. So yes, you can do so, but I'm just letting you know ahead of time that should it ever be linked to a crime, then the SIN that you used to purchase it will be burned (so to save 75:nuyen: and buy it on your own, you potentially risk burning a 10,000 nuyen.gif fake SIN) up to you if you wish to do so, just let me know. And of course, if it takes you 5 hours to get the vest, that is 5 hours of you actually finding/acquiring it.

At some point, I will put up a list of common costs so that you guys (and Jack) know what to subtract and post IC. I'll also have what is covered by what lifestyles. (I hope to get it up today).

ETA - the "Know a guy" quality is not supposed to substitute for having contacts - it would be too easy that way. You do know someone who know where things fall off the backs of trucks - Chapel smile.gif


Well, my character is a SINner; and maybe I'm just dense here. Do I need to purchase it and have it associated with my Fake SIN for my guy to wear it while operating under his Fake SIN? Does it take 5 hours to track down if I try to purchase it legally? I'm willing to bet getting shot isn't a crime in of itself; and there's plenty of legitimate reasons for most anyone to own a vest in 2075 (ESPECIALLY a cab driver!)

Anyways, let me know if I'm way off base here. And thanks for the clarity on the "you know a guy" thing; that's kinda what I figured but I thought I'd check anyways.
-DrZ
Lobo0705
As far as masks?

Depends on the quality. I did some digging in real life, and here's one I found for $569.00

http://www.compositeeffects.com/page_produ...product=SMGOV01

And this for around $200

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/SH-1-Hallow.../459802661.html

So probably somewhere in between. If you want a cheaper one, then it isn't going to look as good. One at a Halloween store would probably costs $50 or $60 but look very fake. While the Following has an interesting concept, it strains my credulity way to often to be entertaining. The notion that these teams of psychopaths with basically unlimited funds manage to maintain rigidly controlled groups for years in pursuit of a single goal is sort of laughable. The masks are cool though smile.gif
Jack VII
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 09:48 AM) *
While the Following has an interesting concept, it strains my credulity way to often to be entertaining. The notion that these teams of psychopaths with basically unlimited funds manage to maintain rigidly controlled groups for years in pursuit of a single goal is sort of laughable. The masks are cool though smile.gif

Agreed, the first season just got to be a little ridiculous with them having moles everywhere. Sleeper cells composed of crazy people don't usually work all that well. But the Joe Carroll masks are pretty bad ass.

I edited my IC post to include my knowledge check of the casino.
Lobo0705
QUOTE (DrZaius @ Feb 3 2014, 10:46 AM) *
Well, my character is a SINner; and maybe I'm just dense here. Do I need to purchase it and have it associated with my Fake SIN for my guy to wear it while operating under his Fake SIN? Does it take 5 hours to track down if I try to purchase it legally? I'm willing to bet getting shot isn't a crime in of itself; and there's plenty of legitimate reasons for most anyone to own a vest in 2075 (ESPECIALLY a cab driver!)

Anyways, let me know if I'm way off base here. And thanks for the clarity on the "you know a guy" thing; that's kinda what I figured but I thought I'd check anyways.
-DrZ


It sort of works like this. All legal transactions require a SIN. (If I wanted to be a prick about it, Amy can't even buy coffee at the soykaf place. I'm assuming that since it is in the Warrens, they overlook that policy, and Lone Star doesn't bother to crack down on them for it.) These are all closely monitored. So, let's say you buy the armor vest using a fake SIN.

Now, you commit a crime, wearing the vest, and somehow the cops are able to retrieve that vest and identify it. At that point, they now have reason to really put that SIN under a microscope, and it isn't going to hold up to that sort of scrutiny, so you can't use that SIN again. If you used your real SIN, you are now going to be wanted for questioning (basically turning you it into a criminal SIN if you keep dodging the cops.)

I will grant you that the odds of them recovering your vest (or matching it to a crime) are low - but I'm just letting you know the situation, to see whether or not the 75 nuyen.gif you save is worth the risk (however slight).
Jack VII
Whichever way the above is decided, Honeypot will need to roll at least one more Armor Vest roll for Amy. Thanks!
Lobo0705
So, the next two rolls are for Amy's and Grease's Armor Vests (assuming both still want them) from Honeypot.

10d6.hits (5)=4, 10d6.hits (5)=2

And the resistance

4d6.hits(5)=1, 4d6.hits(5)=1

So Amy's vest will be available in 8 hours, while Grease's will be there tomorrow morning.
Jack VII
I'm going to assume that is everything everyone wants and will send my message to Honeypot. If Grease goes a different route, we can just pretend that part of the message doesn't exist.
Chrome Head
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:48 AM) *
As far as masks?

Depends on the quality. I did some digging in real life, and here's one I found for $569.00

http://www.compositeeffects.com/page_produ...product=SMGOV01

And this for around $200

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/SH-1-Hallow.../459802661.html

So probably somewhere in between. If you want a cheaper one, then it isn't going to look as good. One at a Halloween store would probably costs $50 or $60 but look very fake. "While the Following has an interesting concept, it strains my credulity way to often to be entertaining. The notion that these teams of psychopaths with basically unlimited funds manage to maintain rigidly controlled groups for years in pursuit of a single goal is sort of laughable. The masks are cool though smile.gif


Those look great and correspond to what my character is looking for. The more realistic the better, and I believe they come much more realistic in SR than irl. For reference, the SR4A latex face mask, listed Avail 8 and cost 500, had the following description:
[ Spoiler ]

This is even better than what she'd shoot for, but would be quite nice if that's what comes up and she'd be willing to pay the price.
Jack VII
Lobo, just disregard all of my PMs until we get the mask thing sorted. Sorry!
Lobo0705
QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Feb 3 2014, 11:19 AM) *
Those look great and correspond to what my character is looking for. The more realistic the better, and I believe they come much more realistic in SR than irl. For reference, the SR4A latex face mask, listed Avail 8 and cost 500, had the following description:
[ Spoiler ]

This is even better than what she'd shoot for, but would be quite nice if that's what comes up and she'd be willing to pay the price.


Ok - comparing the availability from SR4 to SR5 the tend to increase -although not by any standard amount. We'll call it a 10

Honeypot's roll

10d6.hits (5)=1

Mask's roll

10d6.hits (5)=4

So - she doesn't know where she can get one of those, and you'll have to wait 2 days before you can try again.
Jack VII
OK, now I'm going to send the actual message via PM.
Lobo0705
And responded to smile.gif
Lobo0705
Ok, so to recap:

Grease and Jack will be heading to the Hub to meet with Argent. The meet is at noon, so you probably want to catch the 11:30 shuttle at the latest. Anything else you want to do in the next two hours or so?

Overkill and Amy will be heading to investigate Mary Kelly and the scene of Officer Newton's shooting/his apartment building, as well as some clothes shopping. (The clothes run around 10 nuyen.gif per outfit).

Of course you still have some more stuff to do IC at the coffee shop - when you are all ready, let me know and I can put up transition scenes. smile.gif
Chrome Head
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 12:18 PM) *
Ok, so to recap:

Grease and Jack will be heading to the Hub to meet with Argent. The meet is at noon, so you probably want to catch the 11:30 shuttle at the latest. Anything else you want to do in the next two hours or so?

Overkill and Amy will be heading to investigate Mary Kelly and the scene of Officer Newton's shooting/his apartment building, as well as some clothes shopping. (The clothes run around 10 nuyen.gif per outfit).

Of course you still have some more stuff to do IC at the coffee shop - when you are all ready, let me know and I can put up transition scenes. smile.gif


Sounds good. I'm ready to move on.
Jack VII
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 11:18 AM) *
Grease and Jack will be heading to the Hub to meet with Argent. The meet is at noon, so you probably want to catch the 11:30 shuttle at the latest. Anything else you want to do in the next two hours or so?

Sounds about right to me. I think Jack would prefer catching the 1100 flight and get to the Casino area a little early (or make time for any potential issues with their SINs at the air taxi terminal). I don't see anything else we can really do in the limited time, unless Grease wanted to swing by Horseshoe Park to get eyes on the place for his other job that Jack knows nothing about. Would be fun for him to come up with a cover story. I'm pretty much done IC in the coffee shop.

I'm thinking four or so outfits for each of us? Nothing brand name, just servicable, a lot of the items are probably interchangeable to a degree...
Junkie/Warrens Wear (Stained/Ripped T-Shirts/Wifebeaters, jeans, boots)
Casual Wear (T-shirts/polos, jeans, sneakers)
Business Casual Wear (polos, khakis, loafers)
Slightly Dressy Wear (Button up shirt, slacks/skirts, dress shoes)
Lobo0705
QUOTE (Chrome Head @ Feb 3 2014, 12:31 PM) *
Sounds good. I'm ready to move on.


Don't know if you saw - you were asked IC if you had any questions for Argent you wanted Jack and Grease to ask. Not sure if you do, just pointing it out.
Jack VII
I'm getting really weird double posts. Sorry!

ETA: But I am going to use it for good! Just a suggestion, but Amy and Overkill might also want to visit the diner (Schneider's) across the street from where Newton was murdered. Maybe a server remembers seeing something. Hell, maybe they have a surveillance camera too!
DrZaius
Grease will buy a vest through Honeypot, just to avoid the confusion of him getting it himself (and the time it would take to track down). It seems like buying stuff yourself makes a lot more sense when you're in "downtime", as opposed to on a run.

I'm fine skipping ahead to the shuttle etc and getting to the Casino early. Grease will not be heading to the park just yet.

-DrZ
Jack VII
Quick Balance Update (Includes all purchases to date)
Amy: 1,417 nuyen.gif
Grease: 1,582 nuyen.gif
Jack: 3,185 nuyen.gif
Overkill: 2,826 nuyen.gif

QUOTE
It seems like buying stuff yourself makes a lot more sense when you're in "downtime", as opposed to on a run.

Yeah, I kind of like the way it works. It makes contacts pretty important. Even during downtime, it probably makes more sense to go with a fixer if your Charisma and/or Negotiation skills are lackluster. Jack would only roll 6 dice for instance.
DrZaius
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Feb 3 2014, 12:51 PM) *
Quick Balance Update (Includes all purchases to date)
Amy: 1,417 nuyen.gif
Grease: 1,582 nuyen.gif
Jack: 3,185 nuyen.gif
Overkill: 2,826 nuyen.gif


Yeah, I kind of like the way it works. It makes contacts pretty important. Even during downtime, it probably makes more sense to go with a fixer if your Charisma and/or Negotiation skills are lackluster. Jack would only roll 6 dice for instance.


Whereas Grease can handle himself, if need be. Obviously, certain items you're going to want the Fixer's connection on; most things that are above your dice pool, I'd imagine.

-DrZ
Lobo0705
Ok - assuming Overkill is also finished with the IC bit at the diner, just need to know from him and Amy where they want to go first.

We'll handle the split party as before, keeping track of time. IC post will be up in a little bit. In the meantime, what is Jack going to do with the mag of APDS? Give it back to Overkill?
Jack VII
QUOTE (Lobo0705 @ Feb 3 2014, 12:07 PM) *
We'll handle the split party as before, keeping track of time. IC post will be up in a little bit. In the meantime, what is Jack going to do with the mag of APDS? Give it back to Overkill?

I figured Grease was going to drive us to the airport, so Jack was going to leave the APDS mag in the car.
Chrome Head
I edited my post to answer Grease's query. I think Amy and Overkill should start with whatever is closest and go from there, including the shopping somewhere in there. I think we should definitely pay a visit to the diner as part of the daily expedition.
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