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JxJxA
Cool, sounds good. smile.gif Boosting a van is so bourgeois, but hanging around this place is suicide. I'm not the most tech savvy guy, but I'll give it a shot:
Logic(3) + Electronics(1) = 4d6 for 0 hits.

Eh, I'll edge reroll it...for 1 hit.

So, I probably should have asked this before, but is it an extended test or did I just blow up the battery? nyahnyah.gif
Alyena
@ Aria

I like the idea of putting Doza behind the van, especially if someone with an assault rifle is about to shoot her!
I feel it's only fair that I help in this matter. Will actively dodge into cover

Reactions + Dodge + Move by Wire = 17 dice 7 successes

She might be big but she's quick! Next up is to shoot the drone smile.gif
Seth
Its an extended test...but you get one less die next time ork.gif 3 die...I'm looking for those critical glitches...
JxJxA
LOL, you tempted fate:

Logic(3) + Electronics(1) -1 = 3d6 for 3 hits. That, and invisible castle likes to eff around with me. I'm sure the next time I take a bullet to the face, I crit glitch with no edge left for a reroll. nyahnyah.gif
Seth
The White Van of Power is all yours.
Aria
Spellcasting [health] 10D [force 5] = 3 hits + Edge rerolls = 2 hits [Take off 3 boxes of damage and accelerate the time by 2]
Drain resistance 9D [vs damage lvl -2 = 6(?!?)] = 2 hits = 4 stun! Ouch!

Edge 1 of 2
Seth
@Aria
The baby has taken 6 damage, so the drain code is 4. You don't need to overcast, so by my calculations you've taken 2 stun damage.

@General
Good news for you, is that I am happy for you all to now IC getting the heck out of dodge/ Just decide where to go. Demon has a vehicle(?).

I'll assume you will be paranoid, so you don't have to go into all the details of "we ditch any tails, get rid of tags etc" unless you want to you are all professional shadowrunners, so you do that sort of stuff. You can all have a secondary cheap commlink.

I think it will take you about an hour to get away and sort stuff out. I suggest you end up in a flop house in the Barrens or somewhere similar.

On route I suspect Aria will want to talk to Dr Bob. I'll post an IC communication as soon as you ask for it.
JxJxA
LOL, yeah amid Demon's reminiscing of his prostitute mother's prostitutish advice, he managed to boost the van. nyahnyah.gif
Aria
QUOTE (galenbd @ Aug 9 2011, 02:15 PM) *
I'm not sure what this means in game terms. Can they prevent Yokinko from creating a user account?

Galen

The van is slaved to the rigger's commlink which means you can spoof commands to it (once you have found the rigger's ID code by analyzing their icon) but otherwise can't hack it. I will tell you now that you can't even spoof it as the rigger is jumped in!

There are two commlinks in passive mode inside the van and your agent is analyzing them as we speak...they may or may not be the rigger's comm and if that is hidden then you'll need another scan action.

I would point you back however to the comm call that you intercepted

<<Angel One is inbound>> I leave you to determine if that's a good or bad thing ork.gif
Aria
QUOTE (Seth @ Aug 9 2011, 06:33 PM) *
On route I suspect Aria will want to talk to Dr Bob. I'll post an IC communication as soon as you ask for it.


Bugger that! I'm going there in person (so to speak...) will set a rendevous location with Copperhead and Demon and then travel to Dr Bob's in the astral...
Seth
Cunning plan. Why not drop your meat body in the Van then go there. This is what you see:

Astral:
Hope / Loss / Grief but most of all Boredom are the dominant themes.

Physical at your wife's bed
Your wife is unconscious with a drip in her arm and lots of electronic equipment. There is a chair up against the door acting as a wedge, and a nurse is there consoling your children. She is using one arm for them, and in the other is a large menacing looking heavy pistol. They are all wearing respirators. The attached children's suite is empty.

Physical at the reception area
There is a minor scene of devastation. Dr Bob is standing in the middle of pile of unconcious people and some corpses all wearing gang colours. He is wearing a gas mask. Slung over his back he has an old fashioned HK-227 with an underbarrel grenade launcher. He is currently tending to his (clearly dying) receptionist who has been stabbed through the stomach with what looks like a cyber spear. He is accompanied by a man in a black suit with a Katana. The Katana is a magical foci, and is sheathed. As you materialise to talk to him

"ETA for backup 90 second Doc. Look I know this is a medical emergency, but other people are dying too. My partner is dead. Right now eight members of a Fire Watch team are dead having tried to arrest this ladies husband. I need to talk to your client's husband NOW in order to stop more people dying"

" Thank you for your assistance earlier, but right now: Go Away!"
galenbd
Dice Pool
Pistols 3
Agility 3
Specialization 2
Smartgun 2
Moving vehicle -3

First Round
1 success = 5P damage

Second round
2 successes = 6P damage
Aria
QUOTE (galenbd @ Aug 10 2011, 08:27 PM) *
Dice Pool
Pistols 3
Agility 3
Specialization 2
Smartgun 2
Moving vehicle -3

First Round
1 success = 5P damage

Second round
2 successes = 6P damage


I changed 'moving vehicle' to 'shooting from cover' and rolled an extra D which gave you another hit on the first round smile.gif

Will try and IC this later today but I've got meetings all morning so we'll see...
Mister Juan
@Aria
Seeing how Sir_Psycho's game is going, I'm starting to consider joining up rather seriously. Anything I should know before rolling up a character?
Aria
QUOTE (Mister Juan @ Aug 11 2011, 04:30 PM) *
@Aria
Seeing how Sir_Psycho's game is going, I'm starting to consider joining up rather seriously. Anything I should know before rolling up a character?


Nothing specific. We have a couple of active 'games' going on in this thread at the moment...one by me and one by Seth. Sure you'd be welcome to join either.

Mine is a 'wrong place wrong time' kind of incident that involves Seth, Galen and Alyena (they have two hackers - ish and a samurai)

Seth is running some sort of mistaken identity / KE crawling all over our arses debacle that is great fun smile.gif It involves myself (as a player) and Notsoevilgm and JxJxA (two mages and an assassin)

I also started a courier thread for Digital Heroin but haven't heard from him since so...

As I said in the blurb you can play anything that interests you - although it would probably be easier if you wanted to play a runner that fits into one of the first two. You don't have to read the threads if you don't want to, sure Seth or I can drop you in at any point along the way...
Mister Juan
Alright! I'll see what I can come up with. Worst comes to worst, I'll just cut and paste Dexter from our other game.
Aria
QUOTE (Mister Juan @ Aug 11 2011, 06:34 PM) *
Alright! I'll see what I can come up with. Worst comes to worst, I'll just cut and paste Dexter from our other game.

Well the character gen rules are a tad different but if you have a 400bp version...
Seth
Hi Mister Juan. Be good to have you along!

@General
I am "away" this weekend. It's double xp weekend for City of Heros and...well...those pots of coffee are calling. I'll do the current round of posting then ... whoosh ... off I go

@Ember/Copperhead/Demon
Click throughs reveal the following:
1: Not much data about you three... The general public is advised not to approach these dangerous criminals as they are armed and EXTREMELY dangerous
2: A video of the last 10 seconds with Mr Allanby, then as you are turning to leave, he is shot (you don't remember that bit).
3: The public face of a brave Knight Errant officer who was killed in the line of duty by you three. (about 5 minutes before you walked into Allanby's place) Details to follow...
4: Gamma is indeed a very unpleasant bad guy

Welcome to +6 on all social rolls when the recipient knows who you are! Global Fame is good like that
Aria
I've updated the 2072 map with the possible rendevous point for Jamie, Doza and Jotamon...

Seth, I've also added in a location for Dr Bob's and the Horny Troll...can you have a look (when back from heroing nyahnyah.gif) and let me know if that fits your image of where they might be or suggest another location?



We need a techie to look over those FAKE video images frown.gif
galenbd
Yokinko Locate Hidden Node

1 success

Xarin
QUOTE (Aria @ Aug 12 2011, 05:54 AM) *
We need a techie to look over those FAKE video images frown.gif


Hey smile.gif Been reading through the thread and looks like good fun! I even have a character under construction that might help out our poor framed (and now famous!) friends. A pixie techno-adept hacker / rigger that goes under the handle 'Pixel'. Although most don't know she's a pixie (some are certain it's an AI or some full-immersion job, and a few are convinced she's a free Sprite).

Perhaps an associate of Argent's? I've still got a couple days worth of work trying to wrap up the character stats and basic story, so good time to add some tweaks. Seems a good tie-in if Argent was Pixel's main fixer.

Concept is something of a prankster with a lot of curiousity and fascination for the sci-fi living of modern 2072 society. Hacking on a run is just getting paid to do things she likes doing for fun anyway. Big sweet-tooth (possibly Compulsion level!) with a fondness for cupcakes.

She also runs a small part-time mechanic's shop out of Tarislar.

Original birthplace is up in the air. Maybe an outcaste from the Korrigan community that works against the Mists. Or maybe just local-ish from the NAN's less-populated areas.
Seth
@Xarin
I would love to have you along. I think they desparately need a hacker (they are getting seriously Pwned at the moment digitally).

You should be aware that personally I think pixies are so overpowered that they are silly. However that just means that you have serious social issues. Every one knows that pixies are magical arcana on the hoof of incredible value. You cannot kill them (or they go poof), but you can keep them in a nice cage and drain them regularly, making 10K per week at least. And are pixies really sentient? So is this even a crime? There are plenty of places in the world where this is legal, and for that money people will move.

What I am saying is that you have concealment, and you will need to use it. 10K/week is luxury lifestyle for 4 people, and all they need to do is capture you (alive).

If you are happy with that extra disadvantage then I'll be happy to run the pixie. (and you have the advantage that as a computery sort of person you don't have to meet people very often).

@Aira
There are many less villains on the streets now in City of Heroes.
The locations look good; Dr Bobs is of course within easy walking distance of the Horny Troll. Thanks for adding them. The drunken drone is a giant Junk Yard on the edge of the barrens (1/2 sq mile of bits of cars/drones/stuff. There is a transport cafe / rigger hangout attached to the main entrance. If you want a second hand <insert dangerous sounding vehicle> with no annoying paper trails this is the place to go. It would also be a very good place to meet Xarin
Aria
QUOTE (galenbd @ Aug 15 2011, 05:53 PM) *
Yokinko Locate Hidden Node

1 success

I'm not asleep on the job I just have far too much to do at work at the moment frown.gif

Locate hidden node is a threshold 4 test so no luck there I'm afraid...also agents don't have an electronic warfare skill (which seems daft to me!?!)...anyone know of a errata on this one?
galenbd
I didn't realize they were so limited, or I would have done it myself.

Galen
Xarin
QUOTE (Seth @ Aug 16 2011, 04:05 AM) *
@Xarin
I would love to have you along. I think they desparately need a hacker (they are getting seriously Pwned at the moment digitally).

You should be aware that personally I think pixies are so overpowered that they are silly. However that just means that you have serious social issues. Every one knows that pixies are magical arcana on the hoof of incredible value. You cannot kill them (or they go poof), but you can keep them in a nice cage and drain them regularly, making 10K per week at least. And are pixies really sentient? So is this even a crime? There are plenty of places in the world where this is legal, and for that money people will move.

What I am saying is that you have concealment, and you will need to use it. 10K/week is luxury lifestyle for 4 people, and all they need to do is capture you (alive).

If you are happy with that extra disadvantage then I'll be happy to run the pixie. (and you have the advantage that as a computery sort of person you don't have to meet people very often).


For 10k / week she might sell some blood herself! I don't think I agree on being silly overpowered though unless playing a mental-attribute-rich mage. A techie really gains little to nothing form being a Pixie since they're more skill / gear centric anyway, and it costs an extra 20BP to buy off Uneducated. Body 3 cap makes Concealment less of a bonus and more of a survival requirement, too. and if you want to take advantage of the better Reaction for piloting, you need to shell out +50% vehicle cost for Pixie adaptation.

For the character concept, it runs into issues as well with running a shop, even if it's in Tarislar. Seems like too big of a target, equivalent to an amped-up Wanted negative quality (permenant 10k bounty, but claimable every week!), and pretty much precludes the very idea of an establishement. I'd figure the traceability of likely being the only tech shop owning pixie in the sprawl rough enough (they come with Distinctive Style automatically for 0 BP bonus)

Now, social problems sure. Makes sense. Pixies are rare and only 1 country and 1 corp in the world offer them citizenship at all right now, and the UCAS isn't it. I'm game for social stigmas and issues with being barbie-doll sized in a metahuman's world for sure. And the typical SINless in Seattle issues, plus a bit when the cops look at you as a para-critter / property.


Think I can change your mind a bit for this case? wink.gif

QUOTE
@Aira
There are many less villains on the streets now in City of Heroes.
The locations look good; Dr Bobs is of course within easy walking distance of the Horny Troll. Thanks for adding them. The drunken drone is a giant Junk Yard on the edge of the barrens (1/2 sq mile of bits of cars/drones/stuff. There is a transport cafe / rigger hangout attached to the main entrance. If you want a second hand <insert dangerous sounding vehicle> with no annoying paper trails this is the place to go. It would also be a very good place to meet Xarin


Ahhh CoH. Always liked CoV more biggrin.gif . And I can deffinately see a junkyard like that being a frequent shopping location for Pixel.
Aria
QUOTE (galenbd @ Aug 16 2011, 04:22 PM) *
I didn't realize they were so limited, or I would have done it myself.

Galen

I asked the question in the forum and Neraph posted a link to his thoughts on the subject <<here>>

I suggest that you edit your post a tad - you can either do it yourself or you can retroactively buy a drone with EW autosoft (and possibly adaptability too!) - you should have enough cash for that with your current earnings which I make 12x 2500 nuyen!

Not sure I'll get any IC done today - will try to get some up before the weekend though...then again I think we are waiting for Seth and Alyena to make their presence known, and Alyena has your escape route sorted smile.gif
Notsoevildm
Summon F3 Beast spirit: 6d6.hits(5)=1
Spirit resists = 3d6.hits(5)=1 - no services, Snake is not cooperating.
Resist 2S drain = Willpower 5 + Charisma 3 = 8d6.hits(5)=1 - minor headache. Snake is definitely not cooperating!
galenbd
I edited my post so Jamie is doing the Electronic Warfare roll. My roll was much better than Yokinko's

5 successes
Alyena
Doza will switch targets, from the unarmed drone taking pictures, to the new and heavily armed one that's turning the scenery into scrap metal.
Will start with a short narrow burst, partly to test its dodge.

2 successes invisible castle is not my friend atm.

So shoot it again!

3 successes I am not a happy gun bunny frown.gif
Seth
@Xarin
Your case was strong, but I am a mini-maxer extraordinaire (or so my friends tell me) and pixies are a mini-maxers wet dream. They are better at nearly ever character concept I can think of (face, martial artist, melee weapon specialist, gun bunny, spell slinger, spirit wrangler, rigger...) other than "tank" than any other race, and actually they are not bad at "dodge tank". Concealment, uber mental stats, uber physical stats, flight and stealth to die for. Body is unimportant for many character concepts (including rigger).

You are however correct that you have picked a character concept that minimises the benefits of the pixie. I'll reduce the amount of cash you are worth by 10 fold, so you still have to worry about gangers and poor people, but not corporates / most runners / wage slaves. As most of your interactions are via the matrix this shouldn't be too much of an issue. This disadvantage by the way removes any issues I have over Pixies being overpowered, and I will do my best to provide Pixie suitable content in the stories.

@Aria
I feel for your work load!

@Aria/Jotamon
OK I will fall to the floor to hide from the drone. Then I'm moving to Scanning for the drone, followed by some Hacking.

Oh yes read them and weep:
IP 1:
First EW + scan 6 successes, Second is 7 successes. I think the first is good enough to detect the node. Alyena is grumbling over my shoulder as she has just rolled Doza's to hits and Alyena's counterspells. Around 60 die and less than 11 successes....she is accusing me of stealing her luck.

I want to spoof it that the black van is the target, and not us! That sounds like a nice single action.
IP 2 and 3. So I'm again not quite sure how to do this: page 236 of SR4a looks relevant. I think its opposed between my roll and twice the device rating. Glad you are GMing it Aria and not me. Spoof rolls: 5 and 4 successes

Seth
@Copperhead/Ember/Demon
Nice posts.
I'll post an IC arriving at the Drunken Drone tomorrow, unless you want to describe going in first. Think Transport Cafe meets Radio Shack/Maplins meets giant junk yard.
JxJxA
Thanks, Seth! smile.gif I'm really enjoying this game and all of the writing from you, Aria and Notsoevildm. This particular group of runners has a lot of personality in it, which makes the writing a ton of fun. grinbig.gif
Xarin
QUOTE
You are however correct that you have picked a character concept that minimises the benefits of the pixie. I'll reduce the amount of cash you are worth by 10 fold, so you still have to worry about gangers and poor people, but not corporates / most runners / wage slaves. As most of your interactions are via the matrix this shouldn't be too much of an issue. This disadvantage by the way removes any issues I have over Pixies being overpowered, and I will do my best to provide Pixie suitable content in the stories.


Yeah, that sounds fun at that range. Heck even if the price tag isn't true, the rumor of it could get some desperate street thugs flashing nuyen-signs in thier eyes if they saw a real pixie. Likewise if they see a drone they think they can nab. And low enough to not tempt the otherwise (relatively) upstanding neighbors in Tarislar to mess with thier local mechanic.

I'm putting in some last stat tweaks and working on the background questions at the moment. I kinda got distracted a bit when amazon got the entire Empowered series on my doorstep yesterday. grinbig.gif
Aria
Seth & Galen: Spoof requires a valid access ID which I don't think you have?!?
galenbd
QUOTE (Aria @ Aug 18 2011, 12:38 PM) *
Seth & Galen: Spoof requires a valid access ID which I don't think you have?!?


I agree. I need to detect the node, then track it back to source to get access ID. Then I can spoof. I can turn the trace over to Yokinko while I figure out where to run.
Xarin
Character sheet for Pixel:
[ Spoiler ]


And SRC 20Qs:
[ Spoiler ]


Public info on Pixel:
unknown age /race /etc. Presumed female based on voice which sports an english-sounding accent with a sort of soft purr under-tone and the odd scottish saying.

Rep as a capable hacker with a knack for controling gizmos

Some rumors may even suggest she's on par with legends like Fastjack, though that's often dismissed as absolute rubbish.

Other rumors place her as 'female' AI.

Not-as-public, but known to Argent:
[ Spoiler ]
Seth
@Aria/Jotamon
I've never used spoof before: normally I hack on the fly, so I have to admit that I don't know what I am doing. Sorry to mess up like that.

I thought it was meant to be quick (the description says that this is what you do when you are in hurry), but actually it seems to take forever:
  • Scan for the hidden node
  • Complex action: Capture Wireless Traffic
  • Trace: Computer + Track (10, 1 complex action)
  • Spoof: Complex action

In any normal combat, the fight is over by the time you have done this.

OK so actually I meant I was hacking on the fly!
The die rolls work out the same: 5 and 4 successes. I am going for a user account. This should give me a valid user ID.

My guess is that the time line goes like this
IP1: Scan
IP2: Hacking on the fly. Unless it has a rating 6 firewall thats me in, if not then add 1 IP to the rest. Free action to
IP3: Command to designate a target

I suspect that you need a stealth roll as well. Invisible castle is down, so feel free to roll for me. Pretty much all matrix actions are the same: skill 4/program 6/PuShEd 1/Hot Sim 2 = 13.
Seth
@Xarin
Nice background and details. Good thing Form fitting armor fits you!

Now I need to get you in the story.
I'm giving you are free Contact:

Name: Hansai Jones.
[ Spoiler ]


You have just started a job for Hansai and Edgar: "Hack Jonathon Teague". If you can get some of this information into the IC post that would be good
[ Spoiler ]



Can you do a first IC post in which you hear about Edgar's death on the news, linked with the military action at the Jucy Lucy Hotel?

As you are checking you have the details correct, and are wondering what is happening, Hansai will send you a message
[ Spoiler ]
Aria
QUOTE (Seth @ Aug 19 2011, 07:57 AM) *
@Aria/Jotamon
I've never used spoof before: normally I hack on the fly, so I have to admit that I don't know what I am doing. Sorry to mess up
In any normal combat, the fight is over by the time you have done this.

OK so actually I meant I was hacking on the fly!
The die rolls work out the same: 5 and 4 successes. I am going for a user account. This should give me a valid user ID.


Except spoof is the only possible action for a slaved drone(and what drones that interest you won't be slaved?).

You don't always need to run a trace, although in this case Galen has that right, because matrix perception on the rigger will give you their ID!

Sorry to be a pain frown.gif
galenbd
QUOTE (Seth @ Aug 19 2011, 01:57 AM) *
@Aria/Jotamon
I've never used spoof before: normally I hack on the fly, so I have to admit that I don't know what I am doing. Sorry to mess up like that.

I thought it was meant to be quick (the description says that this is what you do when you are in hurry), but actually it seems to take forever:

In any normal combat, the fight is over by the time you have done this.


That's why I wanted Yokinko to handle this so I could keep involved with the combat. I'll have to upgrade the agent once I get a few spare actions.
Xarin
@Seth
Handily, she makes her own armor. so I certainly hope it fits biggrin.gif

Love the contact! I'm heading in to work and will get an IC post together this evening.
Seth
QUOTE
Except spoof is the only possible action for a slaved drone(and what drones that interest you won't be slaved?).


Color me confused. You what? Other confused words as I babble...

I'm not doing a rules lawyer thing I am just confused. Can you give me a page reference: I have just reread the SR4a rules and cannot find any reference to this. As far as I know I can always hack a computer. Slaved or not. If I have an account I can do stuff to it. I found a section about "jumped in riggers", but that stops spoofing and hacking (although I suspect an admin account rebooting the drone would work fine).

In all of those cases the time and the die rolls are the same for me as far as I can see, so this is just an education thing


galenbd
QUOTE (Seth @ Aug 19 2011, 09:56 AM) *
As far as I know I can always hack a computer. Slaved or not.


I was under the same impression. When Aria told me I couldn't get in, I went, ok, she's the GM, stop arguing. If there's really a way to totally block a hack, I'd like to know about it.
Aria
QUOTE (galenbd @ Aug 19 2011, 06:23 PM) *
I was under the same impression. When Aria told me I couldn't get in, I went, ok, she's the GM, stop arguing. If there's really a way to totally block a hack, I'd like to know about it.


Slaving, Unwired p55...but please let me know if I've misinterpreted
Seth
It's only an education thing for me, fully happy with however you want to run it. I REALLY don't want to go rule lawyer (A constant failing of mine that I want to avoid in this thread).

As I understand all slaving does it move the system that has to be hacked to a tougher system. So for example the node of the main hacker in the party. But then when you have the main node you have everyone's: so its an "all the eggs in one harder basket plan".

I haven't read, or thought through how the baddies use slaving. So interesting question: do Knight Errant move all their officers commlinks to one corporate super network. I suspect not (in practice I suspect it would be a crazy plan to have all your eggs in one basket).

So in this example I could have hacked the drone (at +2 threshold.) or the the riggers commlink, or if he has a hacker friend, the hackers commlink. (I'd go for the drone out of preference...)
galenbd
I guess my understanding of this is that you can't hack the slaved node. You can find the transmission back to the master node. Trace it to it's source. Then try to hack that node.

That actually suggests a worthwhile tactic of daisy-chaining nodes. That would force the hacker to trace each connection before being able to start the hack.
Seth
According to the page number that aria quoted you can hack the slaved drone. It's just +2 threshold. Also you can directly hack the master without bothering to track it (you got diverted there directly...the drone routed you straight to the master).

I think I am going to take the rule books to the bath and read them again. I suspect the system is quite simple, I just don't have it yet.

Edit: OK I read it and it is simple. I was wrong about being able to hack the drone directly (need physical access, and it's shooting me!)

Kosher stuff 1: Hack the master. Pretty fast
  • Scan to find the slave node
  • Hack the master straight away (you get routed there)
  • From the master you can spoof the slaves (any of them. Mu ha ha)


Kosher stuff 2: Track / Spoof the master. Takes absolutely ages
  • Scan to find the slave node
  • Track the master
  • Matrix perception the master
  • Spoof


Guessed stuff:
  • Scan to find slave node
  • Since any communication requests are diverted to the master, send any old packet to the slave and follow it to the master (i.e. Matrix Perception? Track but only needing 1 success?)
  • Analyse the master
  • Spoof


I think I am really interested in the RAW answer so I will raise a question in the main forum. For the purposes of the game: Aria tell us what to roll, if we can do it, and how long it takes. I think Galen and I have both indicated happiness with handwavium.
Aria
QUOTE (Seth @ Aug 19 2011, 09:28 PM) *
According to the page number that aria quoted you can hack the slaved drone. It's just +2 threshold. Also you can directly hack the master without bothering to track it (you got diverted there directly...the drone routed you straight to the master).

I think I am going to take the rule books to the bath and read them again. I suspect the system is quite simple, I just don't have it yet.

Away from my books but I'm sure the +2 applies to physically hacking the slave...given you can't fly I think you'll find that a bit hard in this instance! It's for things like plugging a cable into a slaved camera for example...

At least that's how I remember it nyahnyah.gif
Xarin
A Slave cannot be hacked wirelessly, you have to physically attach to the device and it's still a +2 threshold.

To hack it normally, you need to Scan for the node of the slave and pin that down first.

Attempt to hack the slave node normally and you are automatically re-routed to the master. Incidentally, since the slave node is re-routing the access attempt, it might also be set to notify the master of the attempt if it's smart enough (Pilot / Agent programs with prior instructions to do so). You can, at this time, attempt a Matrix Perception to gain the master's Access Id to start Spoofing. However, if they're running a Stealth program, you'll be opposed by thier Hacking + Stealth (or firewall + stealth for nodes).

In the case of a rigger / hacker, you'll need to get thier persona's Access ID as that's what thier drones are likely slaved to. Meaning Hacking + Stealth opposition on the roll. But you only need 1 net hit.

If you want to go after the master node without letting them know you're coming, you need to intercept the wireless traffic, decrpyt it, and pull the Access ID from the wireless data stream. Not a quick or easy thing, but it's much less likely to be detected (they do still have a chance on a matrix perception check to notice the snooping)

If you can manage to hack directly into the master node, then you can gain access to all the others, yes. It's just usually a much more well-protected node to hack into, complete with likely active enemy spider and probably IC.

Also note that slaved nodes are limited because they use up a Subscription on the Master. Short of a Nexus, most devices can't handle many of those with even top-notch custom jobs still capping around a dozen. Subscriptions also handle remote agents, every node you've got an icon in, and any gear you want to tie into your commlink (like contact lenses for image links, etc).

Track is more for using to track down a non-slaved node.

A Jumped-in rigger supercedes all other command input. So not even Admin accounts can do anything while someone is jumped into the device.

Devices can also be set to only respond to admin-level accounts. Typically only done when just 1 person will be using the device. But it does make hacking it decidedly more difficult.
Seth
@Xarin
That was a very helpful summary, thanks. I need to turn that into a flow chartL I think you captured many points there, but there were a lot of "ifs" in it and I am not sure I understand enough to use it. I've kicked off a thread in the main discussion area so we don't pollute this thread with Rules Lawyering (which I also enjoy, but not in game)

There were some interesting observations though:
  • One limit on slaving is the number of active subscriptions you are allowed. So you cannot rule your entire corporations drones into one killer access area. I like that (Game Design hat on). That means of course that while it can be secure it cannot be that secure (you have a lot of drones, and your spiders/IC have to be spread across all of the drones).
  • "Incidentally, since the slave node is re-routing the access attempt, it might also be set to notify the master of the attempt if it's smart enough". I don't think hacking is about trying to log on and spamming passwords, so I don't think this is viable. Hacking is about "aha you are running version X of program Y, if I send a carefully crafted packet it will cause a buffer overflow and I can execute my payload". Password guessing is normally only done after you have downloaded the hashed and salted password file, or when you are worming and going for soft targets. From a Game Design point of view, this what the Hacking On The Fly rules already cover.
  • "Devices can also be set to only respond to admin-level accounts" Only do this if you want gaping holes in your security. Admin accounts are only secure because you don't use them. (Windows has admin accounts and they are not secure largely because everyone uses them). Start using them they become less secure. From a Game Design point of view, you want the different account difficulties. It's nice when real world and game design principles align so well.
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