MK Ultra

Hope finals are going well.

What sourcebook can I read about 'Equity' in?

One point John and his staff were very surprised by - there were absolutely no protesters outside the building where the negotiations are being held. There have always been some outside past negotiations.

2nd wave, John

You can find info on Equety in Loos Alliances pp. 21 (AFAIK they where never mentioned before or after).

MK Ultra

Thanks!

Indexes would be nice in some of these books....

First Wave - Electra

Addendum.

I was getting into Electra's character, and suddenly had a change of heart in how she was going to run this sequence. She really wanted to do the above post, but She has more or less broken down with the stress and will instead leave all of that outside for now, she just needs the touch of her man.

I don't think she's going to make it

Feel free to have Trevor solliloquise, or just fast forward to next morning, with them both in bed...

Ankle Biter

More awesome posts. I have no problem writing it up myself - just wanted you to have the chance if you wanted it. And you definitely made the most of what you did post. Nice.

I think you have made your intentions crystal enough for me to take it a little ways now.

Look for it sometime on my Monday.

Which leads me to....

Everyone

As I am sure you have all noticed, the regular rotation thing is pretty much out the window.
Partly because about half of you are interacting with other PCs now - the one-on-one stories are dying out rapidly (on purpose).
Also, I am definitely prioritizing responses to threads that have to get to a certain point before I can bring a waiting character into play. Sorry to be so insistent on making the entrances fairly believable and organic. I know it sidelines people, and I am doing my best to hurry.
Another simple reason, as with Ankle Biter here right now, is that some posts I know will take some time and effort to write, and I want to do them well. So even if it is someone's 'turn', I may just go with someone whose next response is likely to take comparatively less time to finish.

So I hope you will all bear with me. I know what it is like to wait for a GM response, and will try to get to everyone in as equitable a manner as possible.

Etain - Second Wave

Because being able to talk to someone without talking comes in real handy when facing the Guarda and you want to make sure your stories are straight...

Don't know what (if any) mods you want to impose, so take away dice as necessary.

Magic (4) + Spellcasting (4) = 8 dice
[5] 4 4 2 2 [5] 1 [5] Hits:3

WP (4) + Charisma (5) = 9 dice
[5] [5] 1 3 [6] [5] 3 [6] [6] Hits:6

Vegas

You have no actual mods in game terms, so you keep your successes. For the record, you have two boxes each of stun and physical damage.

MK Ultra

There are indeed no examples of trolls, dwarves or orks improving their situation on any shift from a trade to an enterprise union.

2nd wave, John

MK Ultra

Yes, you can find MANY cases where people were worse off because they just refused to change to the enterprise union system and then just got fired.

Of course, that one could backfire on you....if he is also familiar with those cases, there are lots of ways to read the statistics depending on the time horizon you use. For example, for every person that go fired and ended up destitute, there will be another person or group that retrained and improved their situation in another industry.

And yes, there will be examples of people that went from enterprise to trade union and were worse off. Yes, some of them are because the stronger bargaining power was used to demand too much and forced an operation out of business. In other cases, independent trade union management was corrupt. But in other cases it will be arguable that management made a point of sacrificing the entire business just to make a point against the move to trade unions.
And there will be MANY cases where workers' lives were substantially improved by the move to trade unions.

All in all, you can easily find good cases to take to the media, which will sometimes spout what you tell them to, but you doubt you can convince Dean, because you and he are both aware that it is a simple fact that enterprise unions suck for workers.

Your best point, of course, is the idea about companies going under without concessions from labor, but again, saying that out loud can be a PR nightmare if you are up against savvy opposition.

Anyway, you can know all these various examples, and pick and choose statistics along these lines that suit you - you can do all that now in the meeting, since I assume your staff researched all this stuff already. Just know that there will always be other statistics that make the opposite point, and that in general, the weight of the overall statistics is against enterprise unions in terms of worker welfare, especially for manual labor and most especially for ork workers.

Sharing all this info with you to equivalate John's great intelligence and the fact that he has certainly studied this situation in great depth. I want you to know how I see this issue, because obviously that is knowledge Dean will use, and John would certainly be prepared for that.

All in all, great suggestions for counters - it is a pleasure GMing such an intelligent player.

Vegas & MJ

Not that it is even worth caring about, but my anality requires me to tell you that I backedited a tiny part of my October 20 post - just to fill in a blank about something MJ had meant to do but overlooked.

@AnkleBiter
That doesnt sound too good for Electra...

Mister Juan

Sean O'Holloran was an upperclassman of yours when you entered your military academy. He was known for being about the poorest of the young men at the school - of noble birth but a family that was without income. He was a capable young officer candidate, but he was an incurable womanizer, and there was some sort of scandal that got him thrown out of school. Forced to work, but without a commission, he joined the Garda, where he was quickly promoted due to his blood, and now "handles" cases involving the nobility.
Also, you believe he used to hang around with Patrick before he went off to Japan.

Conall - Moon called
Etain - Wolf answered
Electra - Truth or consequences, or just consequences. Or looking for Mr Goodbar...
Cerberus - Getting dogged by Louie
Rocky - Learning that Louie Fishbreath stinks
Caittie - Captured, bound, but not helpless, but still can't count on the Star
Mr Smith - How did he get talked into this?
Carla - Grandma I'm home... who's that man?
John - Philosphy doesn't throw people out on to the streets to starve does it? Someday he will learn he can't eat his words.

I was just wondering if all you fine people would like it if we had a Wiki for the game. I know it's the latest craze, but they really do work well. We could keep everyone compiled story, and every character page could have some description (depends on how much info we want to reveal to each other). We could also have a little "screamsheet" section where we can write up repercution of our characters action (like the current shootout at the coffin motel) and things of the kind.

Anyways, just something I was throwing out there.

As we begin to interact with each other, I was thinking it would be useful to have some sort of reference or matrixs or something that show who knows who, and how, and what their opinions of one another might be (who is enemies, who are teammates, etc).

This game reminds me a bit of that new show "6 degrees" in that there are a lot of us who are connected in ways we wouldn't recognise right away. Course, maintinence might be a hassle, and at this point we all know more NPCs than PCs. So depending on how we started to meet each other and actually work together it might be tough.

Course, at this point, it would be useful for me at least to be able to look up a one-paragraph OOC description of the character... not necessarily what my character might know about them, but more like, what your vision for your character is now (as opposed to who they were before they hit bottom).

Hmm.. Good idea there Mister Juan. Do you know where we can start up a Wiki, for free perferably.

That would be pretty sweet. If you just throw up a link to the site once you have it up, we can start working on this badboy.
One thing I would suggest is a way to only allow us players and Adamu to edit the pages or else we might have some bastards come in and trash the place.

Well, that might be hard to set up, since most wiki's are built with the idea that anyone can come along and edit it. There is usually a history, so at worst, if someone trashes your page you can always go back to the previous good version.

If we wanted to really lock people out, it would probably involves setting up a bunch of user-names and passwords and nonsense - and it might be fun to be able to edit one another's pages a little bit.

It might also be cool if we (as players) filled out a couple of pages for NPCs that we would link to from our backgrounds... it'd be pretty funny to read what some of us would collaborate on about Louie Finnigan, among others.

Something like that would have been useful for me a while back, when Adam was meeting with Franco - because I ended up having to dig through the OOC history (huge thread) several times looking for some smal tidbit of trivia that I was told at some point.

What if we just set up a separate "reference" thread on this board? The first page would act as a table of contents and all the needed information could be organized in the following posts.

Perhaps. Especially if we kept the number of new comments down and just had everyone modify their one single post with their character information - but I would be more interested in a wiki-type solution where I could embed images, and easily link to other people's pages (rather than linking to hidden comment numbers or something in the forums) - but that solution still sounds workable - and would keep people from editing one another's information.

The thread idea can work, but once it gets to be so big, it's no better than going back in the current threads we already have.

The wiki is easy to set up, it would just mean you'd have to make an account on the site and we can add you to be members of the wiki and only members have access to change the pages. MJ and I did this for another game we had and it was DAMN cool since each person could "flavour" their pages accordingly and it had things like each characters "takes" on the other 11 in the game, etc. Made for some fun reading let alone RP.

I've got a space set up if we want to use it, HB Wiki

You'll just have to click on the "Join Us" at the top right of the page and make an account if you don't have one on WikiSpaces (Username, Password, Email and that's about it) Once you guys set up usernames let me know them and I can send you invites to join the space and you'll then have access to update things as you wish once we get the main "feel" going.

The interface can be somewhat of a PITA, but we can make it work if MJ and I design templates that just let you guys copy/paste stuff in there or something.

My username is BlueRondo1

Ok... with everyone who has "hit bottom" already, who has taken street names?

I've got:
Warren = Cerberus
Angus = Rocky
Adam = Mr. Smith
Harriet = Sledge

I'm certain I've missed others... I can set up the wiki with original character names and street names on the side

If it's easier for everyone I can go ahead and set up individual pages for each character and let you all edit them from that point.

Requested membership. Yippy.
Yeah, "Mr. Smith" isnt as sweet of a Street-Name as I would have liked, but it fits with Adam's profile thus far, so I'm going to be keeping it for a while, I think. Just don't be surprised down the road if Adam starts refering to himself by some other aliases (which becomes more and more unlikely as he meets potential teammates).

Of note on the templates: "Home Ground" is no longer free.

hehe I knew i'd miss some stuff copying them over

Thanks for the heads up.

Yea; it's because we ripped off the old templates from the 410 Crash Wiki we had back in the days

Conall - Second Wave
Just thought it might be useful. I didn't impose any modifiers because I wasn't sure which one they would be.

Intimidation
Rolls: 2,5,5,6,4,6,3,5
Hits: 5

Sent in the request using Konsaki.

Hrm, Electra's street name.

That's gonna be tough to decide when it comes to it.

Anyway, I asked into the WIKI.

Ed - name of AnkleBiter

wikis are fun

2nd wave, John

So, I´m hoping to either gain some characterinformationabout Dean here, or else protect some numbers of mine for later use (and at the same time move along the negotiations a bit).

To go on, I need some OOC info on my contract with NeoNET

Konsaki and Ankle Biter you've been approved

MK you've had an invite sent to your old wiki name.

That's a lot of us, but not all of us

I have joyfully accepted it Vegas

nice pictures everyone!

How do you activate the links at the top of the page? (Stats, gear, etc.)

Aww, I went through the effort of specificaly not labeling Adam as a particular "role" and then someone took away the ones that were there.

That someone would be me.. as I shouldn't "Assume" anyone wants to be labled