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Pragma, you've been accepted.
2nd wave, John
Unfortunately, putting up my 'plans' (I havenīt come up with much new, since before the meeting, but I can organize and compeat it into 3 ways of action) will take some time, since I canīt spare the time to write it all up in one chunk (donīt want to post it one by one, either, so it dosnīt get incoherrent).
While Iīm working on it. Has any of the information-holes been filled out yet (By Argus (they prommised it in 48h), Aegis, Infolio (150k isnīt that much), NeoNET or my own people)? For ease of refference, I put the old postswith the open questions in a spoiler.
Fun Character Trivia (just food for the next paranoid nightmares): John is on to a conspiracy-theory that UN-General Secretary Padijar is posessed by a Master Shedim. He dosnīt belive it (yet) though. There is no canon info about that, itīs just because Loose Alliances mentions a personality change in Padijar around 2060.
So, now there is a Mantis, a Toxic and a Master Shedimīs puppet - whatīs next ;p
Unfortunately, putting up my 'plans' (I havenīt come up with much new, since before the meeting, but I can organize and compeat it into 3 ways of action) will take some time, since I canīt spare the time to write it all up in one chunk (donīt want to post it one by one, either, so it dosnīt get incoherrent).
While Iīm working on it. Has any of the information-holes been filled out yet (By Argus (they prommised it in 48h), Aegis, Infolio (150k isnīt that much), NeoNET or my own people)? For ease of refference, I put the old postswith the open questions in a spoiler.
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Fun Character Trivia (just food for the next paranoid nightmares): John is on to a conspiracy-theory that UN-General Secretary Padijar is posessed by a Master Shedim. He dosnīt belive it (yet) though. There is no canon info about that, itīs just because Loose Alliances mentions a personality change in Padijar around 2060.
So, now there is a Mantis, a Toxic and a Master Shedimīs puppet - whatīs next ;p
MK Ultra
No hurry at all, dude. Whenever you get around to it. I will be responding to your questions Saturday morning my time - that and Carla's mother's journal - those are my big projects tomorrow.
No hurry at all, dude. Whenever you get around to it. I will be responding to your questions Saturday morning my time - that and Carla's mother's journal - those are my big projects tomorrow.
MK Ultra
Hey, I know you can't really move forward now without the info you asked for. Like I promised, first thing my Saturday morning - about 12 hours from this posting.
Hey, I know you can't really move forward now without the info you asked for. Like I promised, first thing my Saturday morning - about 12 hours from this posting.
Mister Juan
Noticed you were on line right now.
I was about to write up a fat post for you and Vegas, but don't want to cross post if you are doing the same.
Or even if you planned a response to the scene described in her last post, I don't want to rush ahead of you.
Of course, if you are typing right now, you won't even see this until you are done.
What I'm gonna do is wait about half an hour, and then if I haven't heard from you I'll do that post.
Noticed you were on line right now.
I was about to write up a fat post for you and Vegas, but don't want to cross post if you are doing the same.
Or even if you planned a response to the scene described in her last post, I don't want to rush ahead of you.
Of course, if you are typing right now, you won't even see this until you are done.
What I'm gonna do is wait about half an hour, and then if I haven't heard from you I'll do that post.
2nd wave, John
Cool! I am on a birthdayparty tonight, so I probably wonīt post the instant response of John further and jump right to the 48h-maturated proposals with aditional intel. Thus I just put up the start of the instant IC-reply I was working on.
The instant scenarios (very abravated) John would give to Lanier on the spot are as follows:
A) 'let them bleed': publicly making the point thet there will be no AA project without concessions fro the IMU => let the stock plumet => let the workers suffer => pick up the pieces and do as we planned after the workers finally give in. The chalange here would mostly be to tackle the bad pr, but John will be bussy, too, to make sure, nobody else is taking NeoNETīs place and snatching away the oportunity.
Thatīs very much bad PR and probably costs relatively much time (but both can be calculated in advance and there is little potential for surprises), but the success in the end is fairly sure.
B) 'give in to them': take the IMU in the boat, but then dump them, once extraterritoriality is gained.
This will get the opperation moving fast, but the final resolution might take some time. Other megas will milk some favours from NeoNET, as not to make this stuff take to lon up in the CC, but in the end, nobody up there wants a precedence that strengthens the IMU against extrateritoriality.
PR damage will be verry high here (higher then in A) and the costs are not easy to calculate. The pro is, that the operation can get started in short time.
A) 'direct action': This rout depends on the additional intel to come, as doing so blindfolded will be too risky. It generally means getting Dean out of the way (or make him change his mind) - not killing him, but removing him from the IMU. Basically instigating an internal battle in the IMU - finding someone else to talk to and help him get enough support against Dean inside the IMU.
This option has the best potential to be fast, low cost and low pr impact, but it depends on better intelligence (throu regular channels or deniable assets) and thus has the biggest chance to fail or get out of controll.
The additional info to come in the next 48h will hopefully improve this way of action.
Cool! I am on a birthdayparty tonight, so I probably wonīt post the instant response of John further and jump right to the 48h-maturated proposals with aditional intel. Thus I just put up the start of the instant IC-reply I was working on.
The instant scenarios (very abravated) John would give to Lanier on the spot are as follows:
A) 'let them bleed': publicly making the point thet there will be no AA project without concessions fro the IMU => let the stock plumet => let the workers suffer => pick up the pieces and do as we planned after the workers finally give in. The chalange here would mostly be to tackle the bad pr, but John will be bussy, too, to make sure, nobody else is taking NeoNETīs place and snatching away the oportunity.
Thatīs very much bad PR and probably costs relatively much time (but both can be calculated in advance and there is little potential for surprises), but the success in the end is fairly sure.
B) 'give in to them': take the IMU in the boat, but then dump them, once extraterritoriality is gained.
This will get the opperation moving fast, but the final resolution might take some time. Other megas will milk some favours from NeoNET, as not to make this stuff take to lon up in the CC, but in the end, nobody up there wants a precedence that strengthens the IMU against extrateritoriality.
PR damage will be verry high here (higher then in A) and the costs are not easy to calculate. The pro is, that the operation can get started in short time.
A) 'direct action': This rout depends on the additional intel to come, as doing so blindfolded will be too risky. It generally means getting Dean out of the way (or make him change his mind) - not killing him, but removing him from the IMU. Basically instigating an internal battle in the IMU - finding someone else to talk to and help him get enough support against Dean inside the IMU.
This option has the best potential to be fast, low cost and low pr impact, but it depends on better intelligence (throu regular channels or deniable assets) and thus has the biggest chance to fail or get out of controll.
The additional info to come in the next 48h will hopefully improve this way of action.
| QUOTE (adamu) |
| Mister Juan Noticed you were on line right now. I was about to write up a fat post for you and Vegas, but don't want to cross post if you are doing the same. Or even if you planned a response to the scene described in her last post, I don't want to rush ahead of you. Of course, if you are typing right now, you won't even see this until you are done. What I'm gonna do is wait about half an hour, and then if I haven't heard from you I'll do that post. |
adamu
Post ahead mate! I was just reading the boards quickly while having my morning coffee... I'm just off to work
...and I'm at work, making coffee. 
funny how it goes full circle, eh?
funny how it goes full circle, eh?
Damn, wish I could post from work - all I can do is lurk - which can be pretty tortureful when something gets posted I just HAVE to respond right away to - and I look at the clock and see how many hours it'll be before I can escape the office.
I have to post from my cellphone when I'm on my breaks, but at least it gives me something else to do and think about on an 8 hr. shift.... 
EVERYONE
I continue to be impressed and delighted as more great stuff gets added to the wiki.
I would like to say two things about it, though.
First, and I am sure you all know this but I thought I'd make it clear - the more appearance and RP info you post, the happier I'll be, BUT, filling in your character's stats is STRICTLY OPTIONAL. There's no reason to do that unless you want to - I have all your stats here in hardcopy folders, and Luddite me is much more likely to refer to those anyway than going back and forth between computer screens or images or views or whatever they would be called. So post 'em if you want, but there's no imperative to do so from my end.
Second, and this is not really a request -
I noticed that some people have filled in a space on their form tracking their karma awards.
Well, I send them by PM for a reason. Although it has tended to even out over time, some people get different awards than others, and I really don't want the artificiality of having to worry which people might be displeased or jealous about their awards. I know all of you are more mature than that, but nonetheless, I will feel much better if your karma awards are NOT publicly posted.
I continue to be impressed and delighted as more great stuff gets added to the wiki.
I would like to say two things about it, though.
First, and I am sure you all know this but I thought I'd make it clear - the more appearance and RP info you post, the happier I'll be, BUT, filling in your character's stats is STRICTLY OPTIONAL. There's no reason to do that unless you want to - I have all your stats here in hardcopy folders, and Luddite me is much more likely to refer to those anyway than going back and forth between computer screens or images or views or whatever they would be called. So post 'em if you want, but there's no imperative to do so from my end.
Second, and this is not really a request -
I noticed that some people have filled in a space on their form tracking their karma awards.
Well, I send them by PM for a reason. Although it has tended to even out over time, some people get different awards than others, and I really don't want the artificiality of having to worry which people might be displeased or jealous about their awards. I know all of you are more mature than that, but nonetheless, I will feel much better if your karma awards are NOT publicly posted.
Adamu
Consider it changed on my end.
Do you want us to remove Stree Cred and all that stuff off too since it's not hard to figure out at least approx. karma awards from that as well?
Consider it changed on my end.
Do you want us to remove Stree Cred and all that stuff off too since it's not hard to figure out at least approx. karma awards from that as well?
Karma... what karma?
Vegas & Everyone
Hadn't been thinking that deeply. But I might as well say now what I've been meaning to say for a while - the new notoriety/street cred rules and all that are a valiant attempt to quantify the unquantifiable. But the fact is we will NOT be using those rules in this campaign - they will lead to all sorts of inconsistencies and illogicalities, and I will be simply eyeballing those issues myself.
So yeah, all that stuff is best erased, please and thank you.
Hadn't been thinking that deeply. But I might as well say now what I've been meaning to say for a while - the new notoriety/street cred rules and all that are a valiant attempt to quantify the unquantifiable. But the fact is we will NOT be using those rules in this campaign - they will lead to all sorts of inconsistencies and illogicalities, and I will be simply eyeballing those issues myself.
So yeah, all that stuff is best erased, please and thank you.
MK Ultra
Okay, some of the answers I promised - hope this covers at least most of the things you asked.....
Thomas Dean himself - Aegis continues to avoid you, but Argus comes through - although you know they probably don't have as much - Aegis is usually the best of sources.
Argus gives you a fairly meaty profile, mostly about personal habits since Dean's retimement - you can get all his official activities from before he retired easily.
He lives on a farm in Vermont, which he works himself.
He is devoted to his wife, with not a hint of marital infidelity.
Five children in their thirties - four married with careers and/or children, one a drop-out artist wannabe living in Greenwich Village, NY.
13 grandchildren in all.
Devout Seventh Day Adventist.
Lives modestly. Makes heavy anonymous cash donations to various charities (notably Mayhurst Clinics).
You see no DIRECT Equity connection. The very fact that there is NO mention of Equity regarding this champion of the common man makes you suspicious. It would be nice to have those Aegis files....but even if you could put pressure on Aegis, by now you would doubt the validity of anything you received.
As for corp enemies - Aztechnology actually had a special working group assigned just to watching/messing with him in any way they could. But the group was apparently disbanded once he retired.
MCT also had operatives assigned to him, but they lost interest in him once they pulled out of Tsimshian.
Most other corps followed the same pattern - they watched him and occasionally tried to block him, but once he retired, they didn't care anymore.
You can get a meeting with Samantha Villiers, no problem.
Naturally Lanier will get you an Infolio account (sorry, what is Infolio? What book is it in?)
As for the UN - I am afraid you cannot turn up much in terms of 'terrible bias against metahumanity and the Awakened'. Despite the belief of many that the UN is mostly a corporate tool, their surface activities are mostly quite liberal. Also, as with today, the General Assembly is sort of a joke, since the one-country one-vote means that tiny, dictator-run countries can form voting blocks against Japan or the UCAS and dominate the agenda, funneling money into wherever they want it for a feel-good fix, no matter how inefficient.
Of course there are many cases you could point to of oppression against the Awakened, such as the UNEMEA, which seems directed against indigenous spirits, but then there is also the UNMIOC, protecting the Awakened from Saito.
And then there are all the agencies like UNIAI, which is relatively new and generating a lot of positive press.
As for the SecGen himself, you already know he's Indian and former Fuchi. Divorced, never sees his kids - married to the work from back in the Fuchi days. Yes, it was the Nakatomi faction. Looking through Aegis files on him - they are only stonewalling on Dean himself - you can see a pattern - he starts out as a publicly for-the-people type, but is truly a corp puppet. Then, GRADUALLY he starts to subtly (and not so subtly, as with the clandestine perpetuation of COMA) shift his weight.
The talk on Shadowland of a "sudden" change seems to be exaggerated - not surprising to see a penchant for melodrama among the sorts of people that post on Shadowland.
What you see is a slower, subtler character shift - although the difference between Padijar in 2055 and the policies he promotes in 2070 are quite clear to your trained eye - the more secure his position gets, the more openly and effectively he opposes the corps - although he still keeps up the act of fake-good-guy-really-a-corp-puppet. Sort of a three-layer persona.
Okay, some of the answers I promised - hope this covers at least most of the things you asked.....
Thomas Dean himself - Aegis continues to avoid you, but Argus comes through - although you know they probably don't have as much - Aegis is usually the best of sources.
Argus gives you a fairly meaty profile, mostly about personal habits since Dean's retimement - you can get all his official activities from before he retired easily.
He lives on a farm in Vermont, which he works himself.
He is devoted to his wife, with not a hint of marital infidelity.
Five children in their thirties - four married with careers and/or children, one a drop-out artist wannabe living in Greenwich Village, NY.
13 grandchildren in all.
Devout Seventh Day Adventist.
Lives modestly. Makes heavy anonymous cash donations to various charities (notably Mayhurst Clinics).
You see no DIRECT Equity connection. The very fact that there is NO mention of Equity regarding this champion of the common man makes you suspicious. It would be nice to have those Aegis files....but even if you could put pressure on Aegis, by now you would doubt the validity of anything you received.
As for corp enemies - Aztechnology actually had a special working group assigned just to watching/messing with him in any way they could. But the group was apparently disbanded once he retired.
MCT also had operatives assigned to him, but they lost interest in him once they pulled out of Tsimshian.
Most other corps followed the same pattern - they watched him and occasionally tried to block him, but once he retired, they didn't care anymore.
You can get a meeting with Samantha Villiers, no problem.
Naturally Lanier will get you an Infolio account (sorry, what is Infolio? What book is it in?)
As for the UN - I am afraid you cannot turn up much in terms of 'terrible bias against metahumanity and the Awakened'. Despite the belief of many that the UN is mostly a corporate tool, their surface activities are mostly quite liberal. Also, as with today, the General Assembly is sort of a joke, since the one-country one-vote means that tiny, dictator-run countries can form voting blocks against Japan or the UCAS and dominate the agenda, funneling money into wherever they want it for a feel-good fix, no matter how inefficient.
Of course there are many cases you could point to of oppression against the Awakened, such as the UNEMEA, which seems directed against indigenous spirits, but then there is also the UNMIOC, protecting the Awakened from Saito.
And then there are all the agencies like UNIAI, which is relatively new and generating a lot of positive press.
As for the SecGen himself, you already know he's Indian and former Fuchi. Divorced, never sees his kids - married to the work from back in the Fuchi days. Yes, it was the Nakatomi faction. Looking through Aegis files on him - they are only stonewalling on Dean himself - you can see a pattern - he starts out as a publicly for-the-people type, but is truly a corp puppet. Then, GRADUALLY he starts to subtly (and not so subtly, as with the clandestine perpetuation of COMA) shift his weight.
The talk on Shadowland of a "sudden" change seems to be exaggerated - not surprising to see a penchant for melodrama among the sorts of people that post on Shadowland.
What you see is a slower, subtler character shift - although the difference between Padijar in 2055 and the policies he promotes in 2070 are quite clear to your trained eye - the more secure his position gets, the more openly and effectively he opposes the corps - although he still keeps up the act of fake-good-guy-really-a-corp-puppet. Sort of a three-layer persona.
BlueRondo
Just answer her question, I need to handle the introduction scene.
Just answer her question, I need to handle the introduction scene.
2nd wave, John
Thanks, looks cool. Infolio is another spy-corp (funny that they are all headquatered in europe). It is saied on p. 71 in Loose Alliances (under Complications), that it belongs to Index-Axa, a frensh finance group (you can find a bit about them in the France chapter of SoE, but nothing about Infolio there). Actually thatīs all (I know of) there is about them (which is why I did only use Aegis & Argus on a regular basis for RFS in the first place).
Iīm sure, Iīll be abled to make use of the data you provided. Off the top of my head, my two major requests for additional intel would be the following.
Iīd have my sorces try to track down any of the former Dean-Specialists from Aztech & MCT (or others). Preferably ones that turned 'freelancing'.
Iīd also like to look for people inside the IMU, that donīt like Dean. I.e. the guy (or gal) that was formerly seen (or whished to be seen) as Strokens successor. If I canīt find a sutablecandidate on my own, Iīd also turn to Ian MacCaskill for that info - the Mod probably has some interests in the IMU - on the pretense that this is to lower the IMU influence on the AA (but with my option C giving the mob the chance, to gain more influence inside the IMU). So, Iīd say to Ian, that I am in search for someoneelse in the IMU, which I could talk to.
Thanks, looks cool. Infolio is another spy-corp (funny that they are all headquatered in europe
). It is saied on p. 71 in Loose Alliances (under Complications), that it belongs to Index-Axa, a frensh finance group (you can find a bit about them in the France chapter of SoE, but nothing about Infolio there). Actually thatīs all (I know of) there is about them (which is why I did only use Aegis & Argus on a regular basis for RFS in the first place).Iīm sure, Iīll be abled to make use of the data you provided. Off the top of my head, my two major requests for additional intel would be the following.
Iīd have my sorces try to track down any of the former Dean-Specialists from Aztech & MCT (or others). Preferably ones that turned 'freelancing'.
Iīd also like to look for people inside the IMU, that donīt like Dean. I.e. the guy (or gal) that was formerly seen (or whished to be seen) as Strokens successor. If I canīt find a sutablecandidate on my own, Iīd also turn to Ian MacCaskill for that info - the Mod probably has some interests in the IMU - on the pretense that this is to lower the IMU influence on the AA (but with my option C giving the mob the chance, to gain more influence inside the IMU). So, Iīd say to Ian, that I am in search for someoneelse in the IMU, which I could talk to.
Carla, First Wave
Alrighty, sorry about that Adamu.
Alrighty, sorry about that Adamu.
BlueRondo
Well, absolutely no need for a 'sorry'! The fact is, I made that OOC post about 30 seconds after the IC post, hoping to save you a lot of trouble. Unfortunately, it sounds like you went ahead and posted some solid progress for us (which is absolutely the RIGHT thing to do - unless I say otherwise), and then saw the OOC post and had to edit it out. For that mix-up, it is I that am truly sorry.
Well, absolutely no need for a 'sorry'! The fact is, I made that OOC post about 30 seconds after the IC post, hoping to save you a lot of trouble. Unfortunately, it sounds like you went ahead and posted some solid progress for us (which is absolutely the RIGHT thing to do - unless I say otherwise), and then saw the OOC post and had to edit it out. For that mix-up, it is I that am truly sorry.
Ankle Biter
Okay, you're going to have to take the next IC post - if I type any more of this self-absorbed murderer's drivel I'm going puke on my keyboard. If he sounds like an overdramatic freak, that's the idea.
Anyway, assuming you keep up the "all for the cause" routine, he will spill his guts in a way that has Electra bracing herself for the cortex bomb to go off (no, there isn't really one, but you are acutely aware that by telling you this he would really be pissing SOMEONE off if they found out). He tells you how he came to realize that pollution and environmental heihousness had gone past the point of no return, how Mother Earth was doomed. Recycling and any other puny environmental measures that filthy humanity could dream up, even magic - it was way too late for any of that. Mankind by its very nature was a blight on the MOTHER, and thus all had to be eradicated. The only way to save the earth was to kill every last human on it - that was the credo of Green War. And that was the cause he had devoted himself to, after his guru, a troll named Stephen Cannon, had shown him the way five years ago.
Yes, Trevor pushed the button on the Tate. Yes, he'd conspired to frame you - it had to be done to save his own life, since it was imperative that he live in order to continue to kill everyone else on earth. And so on.
He's been laying low, ducking the law (he naively thinks - but you know they've been watching his ass every minute of every day), waiting for his next assignment for the cause.
Okay, you're going to have to take the next IC post - if I type any more of this self-absorbed murderer's drivel I'm going puke on my keyboard. If he sounds like an overdramatic freak, that's the idea.
Anyway, assuming you keep up the "all for the cause" routine, he will spill his guts in a way that has Electra bracing herself for the cortex bomb to go off (no, there isn't really one, but you are acutely aware that by telling you this he would really be pissing SOMEONE off if they found out). He tells you how he came to realize that pollution and environmental heihousness had gone past the point of no return, how Mother Earth was doomed. Recycling and any other puny environmental measures that filthy humanity could dream up, even magic - it was way too late for any of that. Mankind by its very nature was a blight on the MOTHER, and thus all had to be eradicated. The only way to save the earth was to kill every last human on it - that was the credo of Green War. And that was the cause he had devoted himself to, after his guru, a troll named Stephen Cannon, had shown him the way five years ago.
Yes, Trevor pushed the button on the Tate. Yes, he'd conspired to frame you - it had to be done to save his own life, since it was imperative that he live in order to continue to kill everyone else on earth. And so on.
He's been laying low, ducking the law (he naively thinks - but you know they've been watching his ass every minute of every day), waiting for his next assignment for the cause.
MK Ultra
Okay, yeah, I saw that Loose Alliances reference already. More in SoE? Okay, I will check it out. But you get the account in any case, as I said.
Your next two info requests - former Azzie and MCT anti-Dean working group members gone into the shadows - okay, your people are working on it, but that will definitely take a few days, moving past your deadline to submit the final proposals to Lanier.
As for people under Storken that might be pissed about the unexpected change - you already know all that from your previousl research. Let's say there are two such individuals - not counting others who really care about the cause, so are actually thrilled to have Dean on board.
So for those two, you can make them up yourself - just come up with a couple of lifelong union bureaucrats that are more interested in their personal agendas than the union itself. Anything you want - that is reasonable - should be fine.
I will get you the other info once we are at that point in time.
For now, IC through handing over the proposals. Also let me know if you wish to make any changes to the proposal outlines you have already given me. My next IC post will be about one day after you give Lanier your proposals - which won't be in person, by the way, they'll be messengered to his office.
Okay, yeah, I saw that Loose Alliances reference already. More in SoE? Okay, I will check it out. But you get the account in any case, as I said.
Your next two info requests - former Azzie and MCT anti-Dean working group members gone into the shadows - okay, your people are working on it, but that will definitely take a few days, moving past your deadline to submit the final proposals to Lanier.
As for people under Storken that might be pissed about the unexpected change - you already know all that from your previousl research. Let's say there are two such individuals - not counting others who really care about the cause, so are actually thrilled to have Dean on board.
So for those two, you can make them up yourself - just come up with a couple of lifelong union bureaucrats that are more interested in their personal agendas than the union itself. Anything you want - that is reasonable - should be fine.
I will get you the other info once we are at that point in time.
For now, IC through handing over the proposals. Also let me know if you wish to make any changes to the proposal outlines you have already given me. My next IC post will be about one day after you give Lanier your proposals - which won't be in person, by the way, they'll be messengered to his office.
Mr. Smith - (Guard) Shacking up with all the wrong people.
Caittie - Green eyed monsters.... but which one?
Electra - Dealing with Mama's Boy!
Conall - Honor and duty ain't so simple...
Etain - Is it a lie to let them think what they want?
Carla - a christening of sorts, given a name before the priests for all the world to use
John - the fog of war, groping blindly in the dark to grapple with the enemy.
Rocky - The champ cuts and runs again.
Fortunato - waiting in the wings
Caittie - Green eyed monsters.... but which one?
Electra - Dealing with Mama's Boy!
Conall - Honor and duty ain't so simple...
Etain - Is it a lie to let them think what they want?
Carla - a christening of sorts, given a name before the priests for all the world to use
John - the fog of war, groping blindly in the dark to grapple with the enemy.
Rocky - The champ cuts and runs again.
Fortunato - waiting in the wings
Wow, I am the seducer. I made Dean work long into thenight on a fryday, thereby breaching his sabath . How fitting, Johnīs catholic after all, so he may really be seen as the devils advocate by a devote Adventist.
Basically, the plans will be the same, but I will elaborate a bit on them. Iīll put up the IC tonight.
. How fitting, Johnīs catholic after all, so he may really be seen as the devils advocate by a devote Adventist.Basically, the plans will be the same, but I will elaborate a bit on them. Iīll put up the IC tonight.
Everyone
This concerns the HB wiki.
Should we keep one main database for all NPCs, or just each keep our own records of people we have met?
Also, what would you guys think of having a Location Database... might be interesting.
This concerns the HB wiki.
Should we keep one main database for all NPCs, or just each keep our own records of people we have met?
Also, what would you guys think of having a Location Database... might be interesting.
Single NPCs, you can always od a particular characters "Take" and info if you want to add more..
Locations are nice, you can add graphics and other data to it.
Locations are nice, you can add graphics and other data to it.
Mr.J.
Iīd like a central archive for all NPCs and one for Locations. Individual players can link their PCīs pages to that base.
2nd wave, John
There we go. I just wish I had more time - I guess the IC sending of the courier will be brife :-/
There isnīt really more about infolio in SoE, only a brife paragraph about itīs mothercorp Index-Axa.
The 3 scenarios
As I said, I donīt change much, but Iīd like to ad, that given the new data, my personal preference would be C over the other two and A over B.
Iīd like to elaborate a bit on option C:
First I want to rationalize, why extream measures should not be taken. I donīt think Dean is the character to cave in on blackmail, so threatening him or his family probablywonīt do any good. Getting him exed also dosnīt seam like a veritable option, because it would be too obvious.
Also Dean is probably protected too well, to attack him directly. So we should look for other persons, to tarnish his reputation or get him distracted.
I also doubt we will find much material for a dirt champagne (in proper time), and Iīm not sure if this would be the best way to use any such material, though we should dig for it anyway (knowledge is power). Thus we should set things in motion, to create such material - not by faking it, but by setting his family-members and working staff up for a fall. Preferably playing to the personīs weekness of course.
I.e. putting adrenaline-triggered carcerands that contain even more adrenaline (almost impossible to diagnose as a set up) into his sonīs (and thos peopleīs he meets regularly) coffee, so he is under extream levels of stress and possibly overreacts. He might not get a heart-attack or kill his negotiation partner, but he will cause trouble, which in turn hopefully drains away a bit of Deanīs energy. We can have his daughter fixed on BTLs without her knowledge easily, if she uses regular simsense. We can give some of his grandchildren a mean viral disease (not the same stuff we used last time, but something similarly common). We can have his happily marryed political allies in the IMU entangled in a little sex-scandal. We can manipulate working-staff with psychotropic IC or magic (erasing any signatures of course). Eventually we might kidnap some of his close staff-members (personal secretary ore something), interrogate/mindprobe him or her, then give them a shot of laes and get one of their kidneys or something, to make it look like an organ theft.
All these are to distract Dean first. If they go well, there might be some events, that help in the media-battle later on.
Now all of these things shouldnīt be rushed (at least probing any targets for another week).
And no killing, mutilating or threatening people (thatīs to obvious). In a later stage, we could manipulate some grass-roots Dean-supporters in the IUM to threaten, mutilate or even kill some grass-roots suporters of our candidate, however.
And the best option would be to have oneof Deans 2 IMU rivals put all this into motion (we would just provide a contact (who provides the ideas that are ouré in reality) and some funds (carefully laundered through 'lost' material and stuff - NeoNET will have this kind of safe cred)). That way, if anything is discovered, we have a scapegoat (and still have the other guy -who should stay clean- to oppose Dean).
Of course the plans wonīt be in plain speak, but in euphemisms that are legaly unobstrusive - and no names related to me or NeoNET. And the data will be encrypted, iced and hidden on an unobstrusive (but expertly trained and security-team-shadowed) courier.
Here are the original plans for easy refference:
Some stuff Iīd like to get info on or do in the next days:
-Look into Deanīs finances (where do the donations come from; is the summ of expenses equal to the sorces of income accounted for, etc.)
-What are Mayhurstīs, Billingīs and Vogelīs confessions?
-What are the Shadowrun Adventistīs standpoints on metahumans, magic and the awakened (especially dragons) and also modern science and thechnology?
-More info on the drop-out son (introduceing an agent into his social circle). What is his relationship to his parents?
-Meet Dean next Friday again
-Not meet Samantha yet (probably next week).
-Dos the fact that his dossier dosnīt mention Equity mean, HIS name isnīt mentioned in Equity-affiliated forums/blogs/stuff either?
Iīd like a central archive for all NPCs and one for Locations. Individual players can link their PCīs pages to that base.
2nd wave, John
There we go. I just wish I had more time - I guess the IC sending of the courier will be brife :-/
There isnīt really more about infolio in SoE, only a brife paragraph about itīs mothercorp Index-Axa.
The 3 scenarios
As I said, I donīt change much, but Iīd like to ad, that given the new data, my personal preference would be C over the other two and A over B.
Iīd like to elaborate a bit on option C:
First I want to rationalize, why extream measures should not be taken. I donīt think Dean is the character to cave in on blackmail, so threatening him or his family probablywonīt do any good. Getting him exed also dosnīt seam like a veritable option, because it would be too obvious.
Also Dean is probably protected too well, to attack him directly. So we should look for other persons, to tarnish his reputation or get him distracted.
I also doubt we will find much material for a dirt champagne (in proper time), and Iīm not sure if this would be the best way to use any such material, though we should dig for it anyway (knowledge is power). Thus we should set things in motion, to create such material - not by faking it, but by setting his family-members and working staff up for a fall. Preferably playing to the personīs weekness of course.
I.e. putting adrenaline-triggered carcerands that contain even more adrenaline (almost impossible to diagnose as a set up) into his sonīs (and thos peopleīs he meets regularly) coffee, so he is under extream levels of stress and possibly overreacts. He might not get a heart-attack or kill his negotiation partner, but he will cause trouble, which in turn hopefully drains away a bit of Deanīs energy. We can have his daughter fixed on BTLs without her knowledge easily, if she uses regular simsense. We can give some of his grandchildren a mean viral disease (not the same stuff we used last time, but something similarly common). We can have his happily marryed political allies in the IMU entangled in a little sex-scandal. We can manipulate working-staff with psychotropic IC or magic (erasing any signatures of course). Eventually we might kidnap some of his close staff-members (personal secretary ore something), interrogate/mindprobe him or her, then give them a shot of laes and get one of their kidneys or something, to make it look like an organ theft.
All these are to distract Dean first. If they go well, there might be some events, that help in the media-battle later on.
Now all of these things shouldnīt be rushed (at least probing any targets for another week).
And no killing, mutilating or threatening people (thatīs to obvious). In a later stage, we could manipulate some grass-roots Dean-supporters in the IUM to threaten, mutilate or even kill some grass-roots suporters of our candidate, however.
And the best option would be to have oneof Deans 2 IMU rivals put all this into motion (we would just provide a contact (who provides the ideas that are ouré in reality) and some funds (carefully laundered through 'lost' material and stuff - NeoNET will have this kind of safe cred)). That way, if anything is discovered, we have a scapegoat (and still have the other guy -who should stay clean- to oppose Dean).
Of course the plans wonīt be in plain speak, but in euphemisms that are legaly unobstrusive - and no names related to me or NeoNET. And the data will be encrypted, iced and hidden on an unobstrusive (but expertly trained and security-team-shadowed) courier.
Here are the original plans for easy refference:
[ Spoiler ]
Some stuff Iīd like to get info on or do in the next days:
-Look into Deanīs finances (where do the donations come from; is the summ of expenses equal to the sorces of income accounted for, etc.)
-What are Mayhurstīs, Billingīs and Vogelīs confessions?
-What are the Shadowrun Adventistīs standpoints on metahumans, magic and the awakened (especially dragons) and also modern science and thechnology?
-More info on the drop-out son (introduceing an agent into his social circle). What is his relationship to his parents?
-Meet Dean next Friday again
-Not meet Samantha yet (probably next week).
-Dos the fact that his dossier dosnīt mention Equity mean, HIS name isnīt mentioned in Equity-affiliated forums/blogs/stuff either?
2nd wave, John
I just noticed, that the IC-days since after May-Day are wrong, because I mixed up Tuesday and Thursday again!
The 1st was Thursday as you correctly posted. The 2nd was not Wednsday as I falsely posted, but Friday and the 3rd would then be Saturday, not (again) Thursday.
Iīll edid my posts accordingly. This leaves your posts from Oct. 21st, 23rd, 25th, 26th & 27th to be corrected. Sorry about that, this hapens when Iīm too lazy to open the calendar-program when making a post.
I just noticed, that the IC-days since after May-Day are wrong, because I mixed up Tuesday and Thursday again!
The 1st was Thursday as you correctly posted. The 2nd was not Wednsday as I falsely posted, but Friday and the 3rd would then be Saturday, not (again) Thursday.
Iīll edid my posts accordingly. This leaves your posts from Oct. 21st, 23rd, 25th, 26th & 27th to be corrected. Sorry about that, this hapens when Iīm too lazy to open the calendar-program when making a post.
HB WIKI
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| QUOTE (MK Ultra) |
| Some stuff Iīd like to get info on or do in the next days: -Look into Deanīs finances (where do the donations come from; is the summ of expenses equal to the sorces of income accounted for, etc.) -What are Mayhurstīs, Billingīs and Vogelīs confessions? -What are the Shadowrun Adventistīs standpoints on metahumans, magic and the awakened (especially dragons) and also modern science and thechnology? -More info on the drop-out son (introduceing an agent into his social circle). What is his relationship to his parents? -Meet Dean next Friday again -Not meet Samantha yet (probably next week). -Dos the fact that his dossier dosnīt mention Equity mean, HIS name isnīt mentioned in Equity-affiliated forums/blogs/stuff either? |
MK Ultra
Okay, I will add this list to the request about former members of the Azzie and MCT teams that worked on Dean. As with that first request, some of that stuff will not be coming in until sometime after your meeting with Lanier, which is NOW.
What John does know now is -
The Seventh Day Adventists are fine with 2070 science and technology (with obvious exceptions of certain hot-button sanctity of life issues like cloning and so forth). They view magic as of the Devil, except for their own Christian theurgists. They welcome all of metahumanity into the fold, but view dragons as a manifestation of Satan.
(Apologies to any actual SDAs in this game - if there are any, speak up about what you think your church's stance would be on these issues.)
His name is not directly connected to Equity in any of their materials, or even materials once-removed. Of course there is some blogger out there talking about him in connection with Equity, but it's never anything at all substantive.
I don't understand what you mean by Mayhurst's, Billings' and Vogel's "confessions".
2nd wave, John
Oh, sorry german-english mix-up. In german Konfession means religious denomination.
Oh, sorry german-english mix-up. In german Konfession means religious denomination.
I wonder how many members of the IMU are members of the Children of the Dragon, too.
Everyone
Many RL things coming together all at once for the next couple of weeks. I will definitely continue to post, and hopefully will mostly keep up the usual pace, but if it gets erratic, not to worry.
Many RL things coming together all at once for the next couple of weeks. I will definitely continue to post, and hopefully will mostly keep up the usual pace, but if it gets erratic, not to worry.
LOL, eco-activists with a fat zero in biology knowledge skill are so funny
Ankle Biter
Okay, as you know, the PLAN (if you care to follow it) is for you to just stay close to Trevor for as long as it takes until you are hopefully one day brought into the presence of Stephen Cannon. If you go through with the plan, I need a month or so long time-passes post from you describing generally what you do living with Trevor for a month in the Squeeze. Short or long as you want it.
If you deviate from plan, then just post whatever you do next, stopping at whatever point you are clearly going against the LPO's script.
Okay, as you know, the PLAN (if you care to follow it) is for you to just stay close to Trevor for as long as it takes until you are hopefully one day brought into the presence of Stephen Cannon. If you go through with the plan, I need a month or so long time-passes post from you describing generally what you do living with Trevor for a month in the Squeeze. Short or long as you want it.
If you deviate from plan, then just post whatever you do next, stopping at whatever point you are clearly going against the LPO's script.
MK Ultra
Your meeting with Miles is top of my to-do list for tomorrow morning - about 10 hours from this post.
Your meeting with Miles is top of my to-do list for tomorrow morning - about 10 hours from this post.
| QUOTE (adamu @ Nov 2 2006, 02:06 PM) |
| Ankle Biter Okay, as you know, the PLAN (if you care to follow it) is for you to just stay close to Trevor for as long as it takes until you are hopefully one day brought into the presence of Stephen Cannon. If you go through with the plan, I need a month or so long time-passes post from you describing generally what you do living with Trevor for a month in the Squeeze. Short or long as you want it. If you deviate from plan, then just post whatever you do next, stopping at whatever point you are clearly going against the LPO's script. |
Sure thing, one thing, not sure about the time tag on your post.
I will be following the script, more or less, but I am going to gage Trevor's reaction to my last IC statement, please to post a response before we time jump.
Basically if he reads it as "Electra knows that something has happened to Stephen" and seems worried that that is the case, I will blag him that the LPO told me that Stephen was the ringleader, and that they were on the verge of catching him. I will try to give Trevor the idea that he must warn him.
If, on the other hand, he reads it as we should stay away from Cannon, then I will explain that as Cannon did not give Trevor his contact details then it is clear that Cannon could not trust him, and expected him to be captured. As Trevor is in the clear I will try to plant the idea that he should contact Cannon to say that he's okay.
Note the intention is to make these things his idea.
Vegas and Mister Juan
Vegas, thanks for the PM. You always anticipate my next OOC posts so nicely.
Here is the deal. The next external event from me will happen in about a week of game time. How fast the two of you want to play through that is on you two. I can easily see Conall continuing to argue with his father, or either or both of you scheming to escape the house or to communicate with each other, or whatever.
Or, you could just both do a time-passes post for me, and we will get to the next event.
If you have RP or schemes you want to do, we'll just take it one step at a time.
If you want to each do a time-passes post, points to include:
* Etain won't be allowed out of her room, and will only be visited by her mother or her teachers or the doctor, all firmly under parents' thumbs.
* Conall will not be allowed to leave house. Father will also be at home all the time, using it as a base (and yes, a safehouse) from which to try to salvage things for the house and the family in the face of a major vendetta by House O'Donnell. He will talk to Conall and explain how things are, but he won't ask Conall for any help or include him in his efforts. He spends a lot of time with Paddy.
* The household is well supplied, and no staff will leave nor anyone at all arrive at the house for the entire week.
Any questions let me know.
Vegas, thanks for the PM. You always anticipate my next OOC posts so nicely.
Here is the deal. The next external event from me will happen in about a week of game time. How fast the two of you want to play through that is on you two. I can easily see Conall continuing to argue with his father, or either or both of you scheming to escape the house or to communicate with each other, or whatever.
Or, you could just both do a time-passes post for me, and we will get to the next event.
If you have RP or schemes you want to do, we'll just take it one step at a time.
If you want to each do a time-passes post, points to include:
* Etain won't be allowed out of her room, and will only be visited by her mother or her teachers or the doctor, all firmly under parents' thumbs.
* Conall will not be allowed to leave house. Father will also be at home all the time, using it as a base (and yes, a safehouse) from which to try to salvage things for the house and the family in the face of a major vendetta by House O'Donnell. He will talk to Conall and explain how things are, but he won't ask Conall for any help or include him in his efforts. He spends a lot of time with Paddy.
* The household is well supplied, and no staff will leave nor anyone at all arrive at the house for the entire week.
Any questions let me know.
Adam
Ack! Cross post! Let me know if I went too far and I'll edit/remove/change as necessary
I have some ideas of some scheming on Etain's part, but I'll try to work with MJ to see what he wants to do, either move quick or get some RP in.
Thanks for the post and the info though!
Ack! Cross post!
Let me know if I went too far and I'll edit/remove/change as necessary I have some ideas of some scheming on Etain's part, but I'll try to work with MJ to see what he wants to do, either move quick or get some RP in.
Thanks for the post and the info though!
Vegas
No, not a problem at all. You can do anything you want within the parameters above. I've already returned your IC post. Whatever level of activity you guys want during this week is up to the two of you.
No, not a problem at all. You can do anything you want within the parameters above. I've already returned your IC post. Whatever level of activity you guys want during this week is up to the two of you.
Everyone
My PM box acting weird lately. For instance, it just told me I had three new messages but I could find only one. If anyone has pmed me today and not gotten a reply, you might want to resend.
My PM box acting weird lately. For instance, it just told me I had three new messages but I could find only one. If anyone has pmed me today and not gotten a reply, you might want to resend.
Ankle Biter
Dude, sorry about the freaky timestamp. There's no mystical jump in time. I fixed it on my end.
Dude, sorry about the freaky timestamp. There's no mystical jump in time. I fixed it on my end.
BlueRondo
Your diary is my next big project. Unfortunately I cannot say when I will have an hour to sit down with it. But aside from quickie posts I can dash off in a minute or so each, you will be the next thing I do.
Your diary is my next big project. Unfortunately I cannot say when I will have an hour to sit down with it. But aside from quickie posts I can dash off in a minute or so each, you will be the next thing I do.
2nd wave, John
Really evil, I like that
If John has no say in this, so be it. He is used to stand aside and watch his charges do horrible attroceties -ala Lord of War- he dosnīt like it, but he dosnīt think that him walking away and trashing his own life will make a difference. Though he wonīt play Jhonson for this one.
If he can convince Lanier not to use this oportunity, that would be cool (would really make him feel, like he is making a difference for the better).
I didnīt include it in the last write-up, becaus I didnīt have the Adventistīs attitude towards dragons then, but accusing Dean to not give the negociations a real chance and just say no (which he is really doing at the moment), because NeoNET is owned by a dragon and dragons are the devil sould bring us some extra-points. Many people in the UCAS voted a Dragon into office little more then a decade ago - and they voted his successors again the next time around. I donīt think theyīd liek to here that they voted for Satan (not even talking about the CotD).
Just in case a roll can be usefull, to convince Lanier to do it my way:
Really evil, I like that
If John has no say in this, so be it. He is used to stand aside and watch his charges do horrible attroceties -ala Lord of War- he dosnīt like it, but he dosnīt think that him walking away and trashing his own life will make a difference. Though he wonīt play Jhonson for this one.
If he can convince Lanier not to use this oportunity, that would be cool (would really make him feel, like he is making a difference for the better).
I didnīt include it in the last write-up, becaus I didnīt have the Adventistīs attitude towards dragons then, but accusing Dean to not give the negociations a real chance and just say no (which he is really doing at the moment), because NeoNET is owned by a dragon and dragons are the devil sould bring us some extra-points. Many people in the UCAS voted a Dragon into office little more then a decade ago - and they voted his successors again the next time around. I donīt think theyīd liek to here that they voted for Satan (not even talking about the CotD).
Just in case a roll can be usefull, to convince Lanier to do it my way:
[ Spoiler ]
Carla, First Wave
Thanks for letting me know, Adamu.
Thanks for letting me know, Adamu.
Conall - Second Wave
Conall will summon a Spirit of Beasts (Force 3) with the Concealement power
Summoning Dice Pool: 6
Rolls: 1,5,6,6,3,2
Hits: 3
Spirit of Beasts Rolls: 5,1,4
Hits: 1
Net Sucesses: 2
Spirit owes 2 services
Drain: 2 x Hits = 2S
Drain Resisting Pool: 8
Rolls: 1,6,5,1,6,1,2,5
Hits: 4
No Drain
He will cast a Stealth Spell (Force 4) on himself, using his sustaining focus to hold it.
Spellcasting Pool: 8
Rolls: 6,2,3,1,4,5,4,5
Hits: 3
Drain: 3S
Rolls: 4,5,5,4,6,2,1,5
Hits:4
No Drain
Conall will also get an Increased Reflexes (Force 2) on himself, using his other sustaining focus to hold the spell.
Spellcasting Pool: 8
Rolls: 2,6,6,5,1,1,2,3
Hits: 3
Drain: 3S
Rolls: 3,4,3,5,6,4,2,2
Hits: 2
1S Drain taken
He'll ask the spirit to use his power of Concealement on him... and he'll try to sneak into Etain's room. If he crosses path with any house staff or security, he'll do his best to sneak around them/hide/etc...
Here are a bunch of Infiltration Rolls
Dice Pool: 8
Rolls: 6,4,5,3,2,1,4,3 (2 hits)
Rolls: 1,6,3,3,2,3,1,6 (2 hits)
Rolls: 2,1,3,2,2,5,5,6 (3 hits)
Rolls: 3,5,4,2,3,3,1,3 (1 hit)
Rolls: 2,4,1,1,2,6,6,6 (3 hits)
The Concealement Power of the Spirit gives everyone a -3 to perception rolls to spot him, and anyone coming close to him as to resist the Stealth spell first (threshold of 3).
Conall will summon a Spirit of Beasts (Force 3) with the Concealement power
Summoning Dice Pool: 6
Rolls: 1,5,6,6,3,2
Hits: 3
Spirit of Beasts Rolls: 5,1,4
Hits: 1
Net Sucesses: 2
Spirit owes 2 services
Drain: 2 x Hits = 2S
Drain Resisting Pool: 8
Rolls: 1,6,5,1,6,1,2,5
Hits: 4
No Drain
He will cast a Stealth Spell (Force 4) on himself, using his sustaining focus to hold it.
Spellcasting Pool: 8
Rolls: 6,2,3,1,4,5,4,5
Hits: 3
Drain: 3S
Rolls: 4,5,5,4,6,2,1,5
Hits:4
No Drain
Conall will also get an Increased Reflexes (Force 2) on himself, using his other sustaining focus to hold the spell.
Spellcasting Pool: 8
Rolls: 2,6,6,5,1,1,2,3
Hits: 3
Drain: 3S
Rolls: 3,4,3,5,6,4,2,2
Hits: 2
1S Drain taken
He'll ask the spirit to use his power of Concealement on him... and he'll try to sneak into Etain's room. If he crosses path with any house staff or security, he'll do his best to sneak around them/hide/etc...
Here are a bunch of Infiltration Rolls
Dice Pool: 8
Rolls: 6,4,5,3,2,1,4,3 (2 hits)
Rolls: 1,6,3,3,2,3,1,6 (2 hits)
Rolls: 2,1,3,2,2,5,5,6 (3 hits)
Rolls: 3,5,4,2,3,3,1,3 (1 hit)
Rolls: 2,4,1,1,2,6,6,6 (3 hits)
The Concealement Power of the Spirit gives everyone a -3 to perception rolls to spot him, and anyone coming close to him as to resist the Stealth spell first (threshold of 3).
2nd wave, John
Oh, just one additionalpoint for Johnīs plan. Killing Dean might well lead to one of his supporters in the IMU (or from outside), to carry on the torch. With my M.O. we can get rid of him and gain levarage against his supporters and protegés, too.
Oh, and of course John wonīt use any argumentation of morality in this discussion. It would make him look week in Lanierīs eyes, and wonīt sway him anyway.
Oh, just one additionalpoint for Johnīs plan. Killing Dean might well lead to one of his supporters in the IMU (or from outside), to carry on the torch. With my M.O. we can get rid of him and gain levarage against his supporters and protegés, too.
Oh, and of course John wonīt use any argumentation of morality in this discussion. It would make him look week in Lanierīs eyes, and wonīt sway him anyway.
Adamu
Just wanted to mention, that I wonīt post IC (or exhaustive OOC) for the rest of the week. So best put me on the bottom of to-do list and handle other players first.
Just wanted to mention, that I wonīt post IC (or exhaustive OOC) for the rest of the week. So best put me on the bottom of to-do list and handle other players first.
Announcement
Okay, this has been conjectured on here before, but I have now received official word that Cedric has had to drop out of our campaign. No hard feelings at all, just real busy with both RL and gaming, and something had to go.
Personally, I look forward to continuing to game with him in other threads.
Provided we have no further drop outs (fingers crossed), the time is not too horribly distant (in forum-game terms) that we will have two full teams in Seattle. At that point, we will address whether we need to bring a new hacker on board. Until then, all continues as it has been.
Okay, this has been conjectured on here before, but I have now received official word that Cedric has had to drop out of our campaign. No hard feelings at all, just real busy with both RL and gaming, and something had to go.
Personally, I look forward to continuing to game with him in other threads.
Provided we have no further drop outs (fingers crossed), the time is not too horribly distant (in forum-game terms) that we will have two full teams in Seattle. At that point, we will address whether we need to bring a new hacker on board. Until then, all continues as it has been.
Perhaps we need to have the teams fight over the hacker.
Not so sure I like that idea; the team with both the combat trolls might have a good chance of coming out on top.
That said, I don't think we really need to wrestle over the hacker. There are enough proto-hackers who could be nudged in the right direction that I assume things will work out in the end.
That said, I don't think we really need to wrestle over the hacker. There are enough proto-hackers who could be nudged in the right direction that I assume things will work out in the end.
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